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I have a pre 64 model 70 on the way in 220 swift. It was made in 1951 174075 is the serial #. It has a matte finish. I have seen that finish over the years but not too much. What can you tell me about it? It appears real but I’m not 100% sure. Any help would be appreciated.
If liberals knew what they were missing, they’d give up drugs, sex and rock-n-roll for shooting and hunting. But then the rest of us would never draw an elk tag, so to hell with 'em! — James "Mitch" Vilos aka (Pancho Vilos)
Mike you need to post pictures.
I like sex and rock and roll and I hunt but I am not a liberal. I do a lot of drugs but they are all prescription.
All I have is the gunbroker ones. Can I post the link?
If liberals knew what they were missing, they’d give up drugs, sex and rock-n-roll for shooting and hunting. But then the rest of us would never draw an elk tag, so to hell with 'em! — James "Mitch" Vilos aka (Pancho Vilos)
If liberals knew what they were missing, they’d give up drugs, sex and rock-n-roll for shooting and hunting. But then the rest of us would never draw an elk tag, so to hell with 'em! — James "Mitch" Vilos aka (Pancho Vilos)
Chuck said
Mike you need to post pictures.I like sex and rock and roll and I hunt but I am not a liberal. I do a lot of drugs but they are all prescription.
I like sex, enjoyed two legged game hunting & ‘rock & roll style’ happy “mat finishes”! As Chuck, doin drugs, all prescriptions. Did I mention I like sex?
Had some comment about the rifle. Now I’ve forgotten! But, did I mention…
🙂 🙂 🙂
Best & Happy Safe Holidays!
John
November 5, 2014
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Hi mustanggt-
Your rifle has a matte finished stainless steel barrel. Typical of the day.
When Winchester starting making stainless steel barrels they did not have a good way to “blacken” them. The initial attempt was a baked on black lacquer, referred to a “Japanned” finish. Very black, very shiny, not very durable. So what they started doing was to bead blast the stainless barrel, then iron plate it, then use a regular conventional bluing process to blacken the iron plating. The matte surface was supposed to conceal any minor inconsistencies in the plating/bluing process. You can tell these barrels b/c the muzzle was protected during plating and is always bare stainless. Also, sometimes the plating will flake off revealing a bare spot of stainless steel (as in the pics below). They’re also stamped with the letters “ST” under the barrel.
Many of the early (1935-1937 dated) M70 220 SWIFT barrels were made from regular Winchester Proof Steel which was polished and rust blued, but thereafter to my knowledge they were all made in stainless. Late in production the factory adopted a process to directly “blacken” the stainless steel and those barrels are also polished smooth but the finish is kind of a duller/grayer color than their regular blue. In the 1951 time frame they all have the matte stainless finish as on you rifle.
Best,
Lou
WACA 9519; Studying Pre-64 Model 70 Winchesters
Excellent Louis, thank you. I have run searches here and around the net and nothing helped. That’s what I was looking for.
If liberals knew what they were missing, they’d give up drugs, sex and rock-n-roll for shooting and hunting. But then the rest of us would never draw an elk tag, so to hell with 'em! — James "Mitch" Vilos aka (Pancho Vilos)
I take it they only used stainless on certain calibers such as the 220 swift. Why would they do that? Or was it just a choice you could make when ordering a rifle?
If liberals knew what they were missing, they’d give up drugs, sex and rock-n-roll for shooting and hunting. But then the rest of us would never draw an elk tag, so to hell with 'em! — James "Mitch" Vilos aka (Pancho Vilos)
November 5, 2014
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Hi mustanggt-
I presume it had something to do with Winchester’s assessment of which barrel steel would wear better for a given caliber.
As I recall, the only calibers/barrel contours that were routinely provided with stainless barrels were the 220 SWIFT (26″ standard and 26″ target/varmint barrels), 243 WIN (26″ target/varmint barrels – not 24″ standard or 22″ FWT), and initially 264 WIN MANGUM (26″ standard), The 264 WIN MAGNUM was also made with the Winchester proof steel barrel and the stainless barrels were dropped in 1960, so most “Westerners” have proof steel barrels.
That said, just about anything could be had with a stainless barrel on special order. It was a cataloged option. So you may occasionally run into other calibers, but they had to be ordered that way.
Best,
Lou
WACA 9519; Studying Pre-64 Model 70 Winchesters
Thanks again Louis. The swift is a burner for sure. I don’t have any intention of loads that go 4000 FPS but do plan on enjoying the load process for this rifle.
If liberals knew what they were missing, they’d give up drugs, sex and rock-n-roll for shooting and hunting. But then the rest of us would never draw an elk tag, so to hell with 'em! — James "Mitch" Vilos aka (Pancho Vilos)
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