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Was trolling the auction sites today and noticed these at Morphy’s May auction, lot 1313 and 1314. First is an ELW 86 with D style carved stocks that sold at Poulin auctions, lot 4050, in November and an 1886 deluxe that sold at Amoskeage’s November auction,lot 108. Notice the current auction estimates! I passed on both guns at the previous auctions as they hammered above what I thought they where worth. Notice the current estimates and previous estimates and what the realized prices were. I am curios what they sell for this time, if they do. Of course I’ m cheap but current evaluations seem out of line for what they are. 

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Was trolling the auction sites today and noticed these at Morphy’s May auction, lot 1313 and 1314. First is an ELW 86 with D style carved stocks that sold at Poulin auctions, lot 4050, in November and an 1886 deluxe that sold at Amoskeage’s November auction,lot 108. Notice the current auction estimates! I passed on both guns at the previous auctions as they hammered above what I thought they were worth. Notice the current estimates and previous estimates and what the realized prices were. I am curios what they sell for this time, if they do. Of course I’ m cheap but current evaluations seem out of line for what they are. 

Can you post links to the current auction and the previous auction sales?

Edit:  I was able to post 3 of the 4 links below.

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You got ’em  Ian. thanks for the help on that. Not very handy with these gonculators. 

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If I had the had to chose I would have bought Burt’s 1895!

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So would I!  1895s were like a fungus with me.  Preferred (and still do slightly more) the toggle link rifles, but once I had an 1895 “just because” it led to more and more.  They like the dark, too!  I have more of them than any other model.  Tim

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tim tomlinson said
So would I!  1895s were like a fungus with me.  Preferred (and still do slightly more) the toggle link rifles, but once I had an 1895 “just because” it led to more and more.  They like the dark, too!  I have more of them than any other model.  Tim

  

Tim, except for the recent selling of the Zane Gray rifle and a couple others my foggy brain can’t think of, Burt’s 95 was exactly what I would call a true collectors rifle. Condition along with features and in one of the best big game calibers. But back to the gist of this thread. 6 months ago these rifle sold for x, and now they’re out there for sale again for an estimate 2x of what they sold for’ and IMHO sold for more than they should have the first time. Hard to believe.  

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Regarding the ELW, interesting that one big auction house estimates it value at $4500 to $6500 (November, 2023) while another big auction house estimates the current value of the rifle at $30,000 to $40,000.  

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oldcrankyyankee said

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So would I!  1895s were like a fungus with me.  Preferred (and still do slightly more) the toggle link rifles, but once I had an 1895 “just because” it led to more and more.  They like the dark, too!  I have more of them than any other model.  Tim

  

Tim, except for the recent selling of the Zane Gray rifle and a couple others my foggy brain can’t think of, Burt’s 95 was exactly what I would call a true collectors rifle. Condition along with features and in one of the best big game calibers. But back to the gist of this thread. 6 months ago these rifle sold for x, and now they’re out there for sale again for an estimate 2x of what they sold for’ and IMHO sold for more than they should have the first time. Hard to believe.  

  

Tim – Model 1895’s have always been hard to sell and never bring the money an outstanding 92, 94 or 86 will. I had another just like it in .405 and sold that one at a CGCA show about 6 years ago. I am trying to figure out what to let go next – might be this super 66 SRC – it is an early one with the rifle butt and outstanding mustard colored brass – has beautiful burl walnut and note the wood to metal fit!

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GOOD LORD Burt the eye candy is so beautiful it’s hurting my eyes. Please just don’t flash that 86 again, I can’t stop thinking about it! BTW I think you kept the better 95.

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I don’t know if I will be able to part with the matted barrel 86 – there are 2 others configured exactly like it, shipped the same day to the same order number. I have never given up on finding one of them.

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This reminded me of your 1886 rear sight. It ends on ebay shortly

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/285776914114

Keep the pictures coming! Amazing Winchesters

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Aussie Chris said
This reminded me of your 1886 rear sight. It ends on ebay shortly

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/285776914114

Keep the pictures coming! Amazing Winchesters

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The e-bay sight is not in the best condition – missing the aperture from the front. The sight was designed by Daniel Barringer and produced/marketed by W.F. Sheard – identified in the records as a “Barringer sight” – note the original cost of the sight.

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GOOD LORD Burt the eye candy is so beautiful it’s hurting my eyes. Please just don’t flash that 86 again, I can’t stop thinking about it! BTW I think you kept the better 95.

  

Tom – and that ’86 is, of all things, a .45-90!  It all but has your name inscribed on it.

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steve004 said

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GOOD LORD Burt the eye candy is so beautiful it’s hurting my eyes. Please just don’t flash that 86 again, I can’t stop thinking about it! BTW I think you kept the better 95.

  

Tom – and that ’86 is, of all things, a .45-90!  It all but has your name inscribed on it.

  

Steve, you are correct. I have pined over that one since I first saw it. It is truly beautiful. You know my affinity for 45-90’s throw in a matte barrel with that condition! Some room would in the safe would definitely being made. Burt did it right there with that one. 

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Tom – I don’t know if you are seriously looking at that 45-90 Model 86 which will be in the Morphy auction but if you are, you need to be cautious and thoroughly evaluate it. Look at the wood to metal fit – that is often a tell-tale sign a gun has been messed with. For example, look at the gap between the forearm and forend cap on the Morophy gun on top – that is not right. The wood to metal fit should be like the gun on the bottom in this photo. There are other places which also exhibit poor fit – like the butt plate. What happened to the period after the A in the barrel address – omission, wear or file? In my opinion the gun does not meet the described condition – including the overall condition of the blue. Just be cautious because it may sell around 40 grand and then you have to pay a 18% buyers fee and if you live in a state with sales tax pay that. Sometimes it is too easy to get caught up in the moment and miss important details – always better to be safe than sorry. And, I have no problem being told I am wrong.

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Tom – I don’t know if you are seriously looking at that 45-90 Model 86 which will be in the Morphy auction but if you are, you need to be cautious and thoroughly evaluate it. Look at the wood to metal fit – that is often a tell-tale sign a gun has been messed with. For example, look at the gap between the forearm and forend cap on the Morophy gun on top – that is not right. The wood to metal fit should be like the gun on the bottom in this photo. There are other places which also exhibit poor fit – like the butt plate. What happened to the period after the A in the barrel address – omission, wear or file? In my opinion the gun does not meet the described condition – including the overall condition of the blue. Just be cautious because it may sell around 40 grand and then you have to pay a 18% buyers fee and if you live in a state with sales tax pay that. Sometimes it is too easy to get caught up in the moment and miss important details – always better to be safe than sorry. And, I have no problem being told I am wrong.

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I realize this is unsolicited feedback for Tom (on my part) but… Tom … play it safe and buy Burt’s .45-90 when it comes available.  That rifle is right!

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Burt Humphrey said
Tom – I don’t know if you are seriously looking at that 45-90 Model 86 which will be in the Morphy auction but if you are, you need to be cautious and thoroughly evaluate it. Look at the wood to metal fit – that is often a tell-tale sign a gun has been messed with. For example, look at the gap between the forearm and forend cap on the Morophy gun on top – that is not right. The wood to metal fit should be like the gun on the bottom in this photo. There are other places which also exhibit poor fit – like the butt plate. What happened to the period after the A in the barrel address – omission, wear or file? In my opinion the gun does not meet the described condition – including the overall condition of the blue. Just be cautious because it may sell around 40 grand and then you have to pay a 18% buyers fee and if you live in a state with sales tax pay that. Sometimes it is too easy to get caught up in the moment and miss important details – always better to be safe than sorry. And, I have no problem being told I am wrong.

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What’s up with the G in repeating?

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steve004 said

Burt Humphrey said

Tom – I don’t know if you are seriously looking at that 45-90 Model 86 which will be in the Morphy auction but if you are, you need to be cautious and thoroughly evaluate it. Look at the wood to metal fit – that is often a tell-tale sign a gun has been messed with. For example, look at the gap between the forearm and forend cap on the Morophy gun on top – that is not right. The wood to metal fit should be like the gun on the bottom in this photo. There are other places which also exhibit poor fit – like the butt plate. What happened to the period after the A in the barrel address – omission, wear or file? In my opinion the gun does not meet the described condition – including the overall condition of the blue. Just be cautious because it may sell around 40 grand and then you have to pay a 18% buyers fee and if you live in a state with sales tax pay that. Sometimes it is too easy to get caught up in the moment and miss important details – always better to be safe than sorry. And, I have no problem being told I am wrong.

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What’s up with the G in repeating?

  

Good eye Steve – like i said, this gun has problems – look at the G on the lower gun, that is how it should look -pretty sure that Morophy gun has had metal work done. The blue on that gun really sucks – I hope nobody pays the big bucks for it.

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Burt, I did in fact notice the wood to metal fit where you indicated and also at the receiver.  I actually saw this gun in hand at amoskeag 6 -7 months ago and was not overly thrilled. Unfortunately I didn’t notice there missing period and I would have never picked up on the “G” as Steve did. But on the other hand I wasn’t in the mood to even bid then, certainly not now either. I wish not to bad mouth anyone as it’s bad juju, but I have come to realize that the auction companies work for the seller and they don’t necessarily surround themselves with true expert collectors. That’s why I am glad to have guys like you and Steve to give good advice and keen eye. Glad you are my mentors. Ever get to NH would love to buy you guys a beer! 

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