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I first captured this rifle with SN 340911 when it was for sale on GB out of Sherborne, NY. It was a cut down round barrel in the original 38WCF caliber. Both the caliber stamp and barrel address were located on the top of the barrel as they should be in this SN range. Now the rifle is being offered as a full length barrel and magazine in 44 WCF BUT the caliber stamp is on the left side which is not correct. The front and rear sights are from the original gun the wood has also been switched out. Photos of the original gun are attached.
Buyer beware yet agin!!!
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
Your post represents one of the primary reasons to visit this site. That stated, should an individual like to have such a piece for a shooter, what value might be considered appropriate for such a market?
James
JWM94 said
Your post represents one of the primary reasons to visit this site. That stated, should an individual like to have such a piece for a shooter, what value might be considered appropriate for such a market?
James
I agree with James Thanks for informative post . As to value , Im sure opinions will vary widely, but it is nice for buyer to decide, knowing what it really is
Phil
Sb
i have not contacted the seller. I will do so tomorrow.
From a collectors standpoint the value is zero since so many things are not original. As a shooter it is probably a $600 cowboy shooter gun that 98% of the people would never have any idea it is not “correct”. And to them it doesn’t matter. The “turd in the punch bowl” is that it is being presented/priced as if nothing is to question.
michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
It is priced a bit high for a “shooter” grade Model 1892 in my opinion. I suspect that the seller is trying to recoup the money he has in it.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
This is one of the unexpected (and gratefully so) benefits I discovered after joining this wonderful forum a few years ago.
I was an active collector from the early 1970’s (post college/military) up to the late 1980’s when I stopped acquiring due to the asking price for an average 1894 shooter going over the $1000 range. As I approached retirement a handful of years ago my interest in collecting was rekindled, though the prices had gone up even more. With the help of this site I learned to discern between true value and true hucksterism and have resumed actively collecting, but armed with a modicum of wisdom. (In that interim I was an insurance agent and had learned, sometimes the hard way, not to work with used car dealers.)
Looking at the listings on GB and GI it is amazing how many come from sellers that must have come from the above mentioned “profession”.
Between the many posts here that impart advice and/or knowledge and the many publications I’ve acquired, I’ve become much more adept at navigating the murky waters of gun listings and gun shows and have developed my own list of reputable sellers with whom I feel comfortable. Just hours ago I agreed to purchase my 6th 1885, this time from one of these reputable internet sellers, after we spent some time (via email) determining that a SST on that piece would actually need some repair work and he dropped his price $500. That savings amounts to over 10 year’s membership dues here!
"This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."
Another Model 1885… tell me more please!
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Wincacher said
…to the late 1980’s when I stopped acquiring due to the asking price for an average 1894 shooter going over the $1000 range.
Of course the late 1980’s was nearly 30 years ago…and one forgets things over time.
However, you mention “average 1894 shooter”. In the late 1980’s, a “shooter” was no where near $1,000, and a “shooter”, even now, can be had for less if you are patient. I purchased a Winchester 1894 in .30 WCF (#277,171–anyone have it out there?) in 1986 or 1987 for $325. It had a grey receiver, but the octagon barrel still had a fair amount of blue, and the wood wasn’t bad, from what I can recollect. When you are in your teens, $50 is a lot of money, and I traded it towards a .33 WC 1886 Winchester, which I still have (trade value was $375).
Even a few years ago, I acquired a “shooter” 1894 WCF for $650. It is a 1914 rifle, with a button magazine, so it even has a special order feature or two. Granted, it probably was underpriced for what it is, but still nowhere near $1,000, even if you add a few hundred to it.
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