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February 18, 2016
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All, a rookie here again.
I have purchased a nice 1892, 25-20, with a Lyman 1A DA, 1909 vintage.
As I was cleaning it up, removed the tang sight and noticed that there was no model number. Checked it everywhere and found none. Not sure what this means, but it is puzzling. Has anyone seen this before? thanks, Elliot
December 1, 2012
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This is a TYPE 7 upper tang marking and was intended for rifles made for export to Great Britain and colonies to meet their legal requirements.
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February 18, 2016
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Wincacher, thanks for the quick response. Wow, sounds neat, but does it add to the value? And, is that the correct Lyman for it?
December 1, 2012
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There should be a model year stamped behind the hammer slot (or rarely, on the barrel) if it was shipped to Great Britain. If not that means it was probably rejected by British customs and sold elsewhere. As to the Lyman sight, I doubt that it was installed by Winchester and shipped that way if it was intended for the British market. Most likely the sight was added later by a US owner.
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February 18, 2016
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thanks again, I don’t think it was shipped to GB, there are no English proofs anywhere. If it were to have a Lyman, which one would be appropriate?
November 9, 2008
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The Lyman with a “D” stamped on the bottom, it’s for the 1892 and 1894 32-40 and 38-55
February 18, 2016
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this is a 25-20?
December 1, 2012
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Lyman D for Model 92, all calibers.
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February 18, 2016
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thanks gentlemen,
What is the DA used for?
And, is there any premium for this no model variation? thanks again, Elliot
November 9, 2008
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The DA is for 1894s in smokeless cals and 32-40 and 38-55 High velocity loadings
February 18, 2016
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cj57, thanks very much. Some one obviously placed it on my 1892, but should have been a D.
It is odd because they covered up the unique feature, the absence of the model number.
I guess my last question was, does the absence of the model number enhance the value. I plan to sell this one and don’t want to leave anything on the table if possible? thanks again for the clarification on the Lyman, Elliot
December 1, 2012
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According to one publication the different styles of upper tang markings including the one without the model number have no effect on the “collectible value” of a specific carbine, assuming all else is factory correct.
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November 9, 2008
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I don’t think the absence of the model number does anything to the value. The condition is the main driver in value,any special order features, and in the model 92 the cal. The larger the better, the 44 is king! The lyman sight is worth 100-200 depending on condition.
February 18, 2016
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Gentlemen, thanks again for your usual expert help and advice. I didn’t want to miss an important element of the rifle. It is in very nice condition, and the 25-20 is certainly less valuable than the 44. I do think that there has been a recent uptick in the interest in this neat caliber, but only time will tell. again, wonderful help, thanks, Elliot
December 1, 2012
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At $75+ per box of 50, I doubt that the 25-20 WCF will ever see much of a revival.
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November 7, 2015
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Wincacher said
At $75+ per box of 50, I doubt that the 25-20 WCF will ever see much of a revival.
But if you cast and load I’m willing to bet it’s a sweet little plinker, I know my 32WCF’s are.
December 1, 2012
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I cast and reload my own and the 25-20 WCF is just about my favorite. Once the sticker shock of obtaining the brass was absorbed, they became really economical to shoot and easy on the shoulder. Have 3 1892’s and one 1885 in this little gem of a caliber.
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November 7, 2015
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Brass for the 32WCF is only a bit less precious. Seems I observed a moment of silence first time I ruined a case. 😉
February 18, 2016
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Gentlemen, perhaps you make my point. I have noticed at the gun shows, the 25-20s are being asked for more often, and yesterday, someone mentioned the wear and tear on his shoulder over the years was just fine with the 25-20. I haven’t shot this one, but have some ammo, so I might try it before it goes. thanks again, Elliot
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