March 1, 2011
Hello all,
I am trying to help a friend install a scope on his .30-06 Pre-64 Winchester Model 70 “Featherweight”
He would prefer a one-piece base if we can locate one with the correct 4-screw spacing.
The spacing is 5-1/2″ between the furthest front and the rear screw and it looks like 3-13/16″ between the two closer screws.
The spacing looks to be 7/8″ between the two front mounting screw holes and the same between the rear mounting screw holes.
Anyone who might know were to find this please let me know??
NOTE: We will consider using 2-piece bases such as Talley, etc. if such a product exists.
Tom Graham - Salmon, Idaho
November 7, 2015
I like the clean look of a Redfield one piece base but they can be a PITA to install. Hard to beat Weaver bases and Burris Zee rings. An old friend taught me that, he owned a gun shop/public range and I helped out there some. Great choice for new scopes and solved lots of mount issues caused by other systems. I realize there may be newer and possibly better systems but that’s what I’ve had the best luck with. I hear good stuff about Talley products but haven’t tried them.
Mike
The hole number and alignment on a pre64 Featherweight is the same as on a standard, post war pre64 rifle of non-magnum caliber. However, Leupold doesn’t catalog a one-piece base for a pre-64 Winchester. I’ve read the one Leupold makes for the post-63 70A fits the pre-64 70. I suggest you just call the friendly folks at Leupold Customer Service and they can tell you for certain.
My limited experience with buying scope mounts and bases off eBay has been: If the listing doesn’t specifically say which receivers the base will fit, watch out!
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
March 1, 2011
Tedk said
Pretty sure I have a couple, let me check. Do you need more than one?
UPDATE: I went through a bin full of mounts/rings and was fortunate to find a two-piece set of Leupold mounts and rings specifically for a pre-64 Model 70……they worked out perfect and the scope is mounted!
Thanks for all of the suggestions and offers to help….I may be purchasing a pre-64 Featherweight in .270 for myself, so I now know what to look for!
Tom Graham - Salmon, Idaho
November 7, 2015
clarence said
TXGunNut said
I like the clean look of a Redfield one piece base but they can be a PITA to install.
Due to misalignment of screw holes? Only ones I’ve had were 3-screw attachment on 70s.
No, IIRC the trick was to get the front ring seated in properly (many Bubbas used the fragile scope tube for this task!) and then getting the rear screws organized to center the rear ring. I don’t recall any alignment issues but I suppose the rear screws could be used to correct situations where more windage adjustment was needed. My 670 had a Redfield mount but I went through a lot of cheap scopes in those days and James was always willing, if not eager, to install them for me. I installed dozens, if not hundreds, of scopes for his customers but I would generally fumble around long enough for him to push me aside to do it. 😉 He finally convinced me to toss the one piece mount into my parts box but I still like the clean look. We lost James to Leukemia in his early sixties several years ago.
Mike
TXGunNut said
No, IIRC the trick was to get the front ring seated in properly (many Bubbas used the fragile scope tube for this task!) and then getting the rear screws organized to center the rear ring.
Yes, the front mount pivot on some fits overly tight, & on one I remember using abrasive paste to loosen it enough to turn easily.
Before I got a set of Brownell’s pointed alignment rods, I kept a length of 1″ hardwood dowel in my toolbox to rotate the forward ring into approximate congruence with the bore.
By the time I was able to afford something “better” than two piece aluminum Weaver bases. Buehler was no longer top dog and my first rotary dovetail base was a Leupold, which is still my top choice unless I want a QC mechanism.
It wasn’t until I started assembling a period correct scope and mount for a vintage, Sauer-built Mark V Weatherby 7mm Magnum that I became intimately acquainted with the Buehler version of a rotary dovetail mount. Boy, there were sure a lot of pieces! The dovetail ball and socket were small and were locked together by a small, blade-headed set screw. In fact, all, the ring screws were blade-headed. Very nicely machined and finished, the rings could be had in split form or ssolid.im surprised they sold for as little as they did, even adjusted for inflation.
(To finish the story, I found a clean Imperial 2.5X 10X variable for the rifle, the bright yellow Claro Walnut stock of which features butt-to-forearm cap, dark brown tigertail stripes. No ivory inlays of Diana riding a Cape Buffalo but it is still about as inconspicuous as a four alarm fire. An in-your-face, “I gotcha classic design right heah, pal!” specimen of California outrageousness. Shoots good.)
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
November 7, 2015
I’d forgotten about those alignment rods, and of course I had a 1” steel rod available. Quite honestly I may have misspoke, I may have had a Leupold base on that 670, I called her Ol’ Ugly. IIRC they were pretty much the same. All I know for sure was that rifle was as good as the glass. My sight in regimen was to staple a business card with a hand drawn dot at 100 yards. I generally put a bullet about a quarter inch below the dot. After this one shot “sight-in” I would go hunting. I ran across one of my “targets” a few days ago. Don’t let anyone tell you those post ‘63’s won’t shoot!
Sadly, about the time I learned how to load precision ammunition and appreciate good glass (thousands of rounds and a few good deer and hogs) a section of rifling let go a few inches from the muzzle. I sent her off to be be bored out to 35 Whelen by Jesse Ocumpah (sp?) and ordered a nice Boyd walnut stock to replace the synthetic stock that replaced the original birch stock. I glass bedded the action in the beautiful Boyd stock when Jes returned it to me but even after careful load development of the 35 Whelen it delivered hunting accuracy, no more. Cast bullets that would withstand the launch velocities this cartridge seemed to favor would not deliver the shock value on game so after a deer and a hog I retired Ol’ Ugly. She’s actually an attractive custom rifle these days, in spite of the Weaver bases and Burris Zee rings holding her Leupold VX3 scope.
Mike
I recall the 670’s well deserved reputation for accuracy. While the early post-63 Model 70 action was derided as “cheap”, the new rifles employing it shot decidedly better out of the box than the pre-64 versions, according to experienced rifleman who evaluated them at the range and in the field, whose reports were published in Gun Digest.
For some reason, the 670 delivered more accuracy than the 70. I believe WRA killed the 670 because its marketing department feared it was [urinating] in the soup, just like the Remington 788.
Of course, all of the above are (or were) designed and produced as hunting rifles, not rifles for high power competition or benchrest, or for hyper serious varmint hunting, even in the smaller calibers. Until relatively recently, any big game rifle that could consistently deliver two minutes of angle groups was considered satisfactory — and most hunters still can’t hold that close without a rest.
So, although it’s fun and satisfying to own a rifle that will shoot .99″ groups instead of 1.5′ groups (and why are we doing this if not for fun?), either is more than capable of serving as a good game rifle. I’d do better to spend the cash on a boatload of practice ammo and plenty of offhand shooting practice.
I’ve never had the experience of a once-in-lifetime, guided hunt costing more than my truck. If a genie came out of my bottle of Coke Zero (r) and offered me a 30-day guided Ellk hunt in the Absaroka Range, out of an abundance of caution i’d likely ask for a half-minute rifle as part of the deal (along with an assistant guide to carry it, my oxygen bottle, and an Li powered defibrillator.)
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
TXGunNut, I agree that the 670 was pretty ugly! A Older Friend of mine had one his Wife bought new for him. It was a Carbine in .270 Win. Not much to look at, but with my hand loads it was very accurate. The last time he shot it with me he was shooting one hole groups with it at 100 yards. I think He was around 70 years old at the time. I was pretty impressed.
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