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sb said
The seller believes this all original. I’m confident it’s not.https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1091394002
He does state it’s been refinished.
I do see where he says it’s refinished. But, do you think that’s a factory 38 55 barrel?
sb said
I do see where he says it’s refinished. But, do you think that’s a factory 38 55 barrel?
If my memory serves me corectly, Bert had previously indicated the decision to discontinue the 38-55 was made in 1938 and announced in a salesmans catalog – this gun was made in 1932 so it could certainly be correct.
From a time frame standpoint, it could have been made. But, that caliber mark is unlike any I’ve ever seen.
sb said
From a time frame standpoint, it could have been made. But, that caliber mark is unlike any I’ve ever seen.
Barrel markings on both left and right side seem to match examples in the West book (just looking at photos).
Only the caliber marking is suspect. Examine the 3 & 5s closely. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a Winchester mark like those. The entire caliber mark seems “fuzzy”
sb said
Only the caliber marking is suspect. Examine the 3 & 5s closely. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a Winchester mark like those. The entire caliber mark seems “fuzzy”
I don’t have a late 38-55 in the safe to compare so will have to defer to those with more knowledge. Would be nice to have the gun in your lap with a good light.
sb said
The seller believes this all original. I’m confident it’s not.https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1091394002
That SRC has its original barrel, and it was manufactured just after Winchester began the transition from the older style SRCs to the newer style “Transitional” carbines. Take note that it has a Proof Steel barrel. Further, it has not been refinished (reblued).
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Burt Humphrey said
I have never seen a Model 64 in 38-55.
The gun in question on that is currently on Gunbroker is a Model 94 SRC.
I have seen and handled (3) factory original Model 64 rifles in 38-55. They are definitely rare, but they do exist.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert H. said
sb said
The seller believes this all original. I’m confident it’s not.
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1091394002
That SRC has its original barrel, and it was manufactured just after Winchester began the transition from the older style SRCs to the newer style “Transitional” carbines. Take note that it has a Proof Steel barrel. Further, it has not been refinished (reblued).
Bert
Hi Bert
Do you have photo examples of the 38 55 caliber markings with the “circles ” on the bottom loop of the 5s?
Bert H. said
sb said
The seller believes this all original. I’m confident it’s not.
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1091394002
That SRC has its original barrel, and it was manufactured just after Winchester began the transition from the older style SRCs to the newer style “Transitional” carbines. Take note that it has a Proof Steel barrel. Further, it has not been refinished (reblued).
Bert
That’s something you don’t see every day – a gunbroker stating a rifle has been refinished, when it’s not 
The finish appears to be flaked. Mine looks pretty much the same way. Sure screws up a nice Carbine. Mine is from 7-1927. Big Larry
sb said
Bert H. said
sb said
The seller believes this all original. I’m confident it’s not.
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1091394002
That SRC has its original barrel, and it was manufactured just after Winchester began the transition from the older style SRCs to the newer style “Transitional” carbines. Take note that it has a Proof Steel barrel. Further, it has not been refinished (reblued).
Bert
Hi Bert
Do you have photo examples of the 38 55 caliber markings with the “circles ” on the bottom loop of the 5s?
I do not. In my survey of the Model 94 covering the years 1932 – 1942 (August), I have thus far documented just (22) Carbines in 38-55, and (14) of them have pre-1932 parts clean-up Nickel Steel barrels. In total, I have just (8) with Proof Steel barrels.
When I capture pictures for my research notes I always ask for a picture showing the under barrel markings to include the barrel date (like I did for Model 64 s/n 1202513).
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
November 7, 2015
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I’m glad I’m not the only one who didn’t feel the subject rifle had been refinished. I was wondering if they saw something that suggested a possible period refinish. My latest 38-55 is a 1911 vintage SRC with a totally different stamp so no help there. Very similar font but different format and spacing. Unlike some sellers on GB I don’t feel like the folks at LS&B intend to deceive anyone with their descriptions or offerings. They may not catch some of the inconsistencies the sharp eyes around here will catch but I don’t think they will cover up any issues they see. These guys set up at the Cody show every year and I’ve visited with them a time or two. I’d buy a gun from them.
Mike
I agree Mike, as I’ve had good dealings with them in the past, although it’s been a long while ago!
Anthony
I don’t think LS&B is trying to pass anything off. I want it to be correct as I love Depression Era guns and especially the unusual caliber. I look at every late gun in 38 55 I can find. I’ve never seen that font used on any of them. Perhaps it was used for a short time. But, with so few 38 55s made after 1930, how many marking die styles would have been used?
