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These nifty little 1892’s are one of my current passions. (This whole thing started with a 52C in 1983! I paid $400 for that 52, and the passion it ignited has cost me much more over the following decades!)
All 4 calibers represented in the SRC’s. Bottom to top 25-20 (1923), 32 WCF (1909), 38 WCF (1908), 44 WCF (1905).
All are in TwoBit’s surveys already. Michael was kind enough to examine photos of the barrel and tang stampings and verify they are all correct.
All which fall in letterable range have letters or SNA dates from Cody.
I handload for all and have shot all of them.
I know these are not museum quality and don’t reach the high condition standards sought my many here, but they are the best I could do. For whatever reason, the 38 SRC was the most difficult for me to get my hands on.
I’ll try to post the rifles when I have some time.
Paul
Nevada Paul
Life Member NRA
November 7, 2015
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An outstanding quartet of SRC’s there, Paul. I’m glad you share my passion for loading for and shooting these little gems. Nothing to apologize for in the condition of these SRC’s, it seems most had to work for a living and they have honest wear to show for it.
Mike
That looks like a pic for the next calendar…I know they were soliciting photos recently…might be too late?
And now the rifles. Bottom to top 25-20 (1905), 32 WCF (1906), 38 SCF (1903), 44 WCF round barrel (1896) and 44 Octagon (1892). The round barrel 44 came first. Then I found the octagon 44, first year, 4 digit gun which letters with a couple of special features. The initial plan was to justify the cost by selling the round barrel, but so far I haven’t been willing to part with the round barrel.
As with the carbines, these are all in Twobit’s survey and have been verified as ‘correct’ (thank you Michael).
And as with the carbines, these are not ‘high condition’ collectibles, but they make me smile. This display is in my office along with some Colt Commemoratives and the SAA’s of matching calibers. I rotate the display several times per year, and they all go in the safes when I travel.
In my opinion, the rifles are more handsome than the carbines (true of other models as well), but the carbines are more fun to handle and shoot.
Come on guys, let’s see some gun photos on the site. I think a lot of us love looking at what others like, even when they aren’t necessarily ‘top condition’.
Paul
Nevada Paul
Life Member NRA
And as with the carbines, these are not ‘high condition’ collectibles, but they make me smile. Nevada Paul said
High proportion of the “high cond” guns got that way long after they left the factory. What’s wrong with “excellent,” as all these are, except maybe the lowest gun, & owning that one would make me smile.
clarence said
And as with the carbines, these are not ‘high condition’ collectibles, but they make me smile. Nevada Paul said
High proportion of the “high cond” guns got that way long after they left the factory. What’s wrong with “excellent,” as all these are, except maybe the lowest gun, & owning that one would make me smile.
Clarence, that ‘lowest gun’ 25-20 is the one I’d most like to upgrade (good eye). But I’m seeing a lot of 92’s in similar condition or worse going for more than I paid for most of mine. The next step upward seems to be really nice and mostly beyond my means.
And as you allude, it has become increasingly difficult to confirm authenticity, especially with higher condition offerings.
Nevada Paul
Life Member NRA
Paul,
I have one question… where is the matching set of Take Down rifles ?? 
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Very nice collection of 1892’s Paul! My collection consists of mostly 1894’s. Here are a few special ones from my collection. The photo on the left are my model 94/95 hybrid carbines (have 3 of the 4 variations). The photo on the right are my model 1894 25-35’s–top is an 18-inch trapper carbine, and bottom two are standard rifles, middle one is about 98% condition.
Don
Bert H. said
Paul,I have one question… where is the matching set of Take Down rifles ??
Bert
Bert, believe it or not, when accumulating these, I never found a takedown in the caliber/condition/price range which was sought. I wasn’t trying to avoid the takedown. I suppose you’re right, I should consider another set of all calibers in takedown.
So much to do, so little time……
Nevada Paul
Life Member NRA
deerhunter said
Very nice collection of 1892’s Paul! My collection consists of mostly 1894’s. Here are a few special ones from my collection. The photo on the left are my model 94/95 hybrid carbines (have 3 of the 4 variations). The photo on the right are my model 1894 25-35’s–top is an 18-inch trapper carbine, and bottom two are standard rifles, middle one is about 98% condition.
Don
Don, these are very nice displays, and some excellent specimens. Thanks for this post.
I’m intrigued by all the combinations and possibilities for collecting interests. For example your interest in the single caliber 25-35 in different configurations. And I know nothing of the 94/95 hybrid. Now I have to go do some research!
This is exactly the sort of post I was hoping to see in response to my initial post. Hopefully we get to see more of other folks favorites here.
Paul
Nevada Paul
Life Member NRA
Nevada Paul said
Bert H. said
Paul,
I have one question… where is the matching set of Take Down rifles ??
Bert
Bert, believe it or not, when accumulating these, I never found a takedown in the caliber/condition/price range which was sought. I wasn’t trying to avoid the takedown. I suppose you’re right, I should consider another set of all calibers in takedown.
So much to do, so little time……
M1892’s have not eluded me throughout my collecting career but takedown M1892’s have. It’s amazing how many 92’s I’ve had and there might have been one takedown in there – but if there was, I can’t picture it. Someone could have looked at my accumulation and surmised, “you must really dislike takedowns.” This couldn’t be further from the truth.
deerhunter said
The photo on the left are my model 94/95 hybrid carbines (have 3 of the 4 variations).
Yes, do tell, what is this 94/95 hybrid you speak of?
Jeremy P said
deerhunter said
The photo on the left are my model 94/95 hybrid carbines (have 3 of the 4 variations).
Yes, do tell, what is this 94/95 hybrid you speak of?
The Model 94/95 Hybrids were first written about by WACA member Art Gogan, and then were briefly discussed in an article by Bob Renneberg back in 2009 –Spring 2009 (winchestercollector.org)
I have been researching and surveying them since 2005 (shortly after Art Gogan had passed). Back when Art was still a resident in Oregon, I met him at a gun show and had a conversation with him about these unique Model 94 Carbines.
The gist of the topic is that in the year 1928, Winchester was experiencing financial difficulty, and had just discontinued the Model 1895. They had on hand more than 1,300 unused Model 1895 .30 caliber barrels that they repurposed and used to assemble Model 94 Carbines. In total, 1,303 of them were apparently assembled, all in the year 1928 (all known serial numbers are in the 1014800 – 1035600 range).
Due to the different style barrels Winchester had used to manufacture the Model 1895 variations (e.g. Carbines, Muskets, Rifles), the end result was four different variations of the Model 94/95 Hybrid. I (in my research notes & material) refer to them as Type-1, Type-2, Type-3, and Type-4.
The Type-3 and Type-4 are very noticeable (unique) in that the barrels are 21.75″ long, but they have the standard 20″ magazine tube. Another noticeable feature that enables us to identify the Hybrids is the fact that the magazine tube is not retained with the traditional carbine barrel band. Instead, it uses the same style magazine tube ring as the Model 1894 Rifle. The last feature that makes them identifiable is the front sight. On all Types, the original Model 1895 front sight was retained.
Type-2 Front sight & Mag ring
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Perfect summary, thank you. I will check out the article also. I had noticed the tube rings in his original photo and wondered about that…makes sense!
The 94/95 carbines were a source of a lot of head-scratching until fairly recently. Hence, they are the topic of a few articles in the WACA magazine dating all the way back to 1985–see attached links. Bert pretty much covered it, but another interesting trait is they have a 1:10 twist rather than the 1:12 twist normally found on rifles chambered for the 30-30 cartridge. The top carbine in my photo is featured in Bob Renneberg’s model 1894 book. The middle carbine (serial # 1025460) is featured in Kassab and Dunbar’s model 1895 book and is pictured in many of the attached WACA articles. The third carbine isn’t “famous.” The last article pretty much solves the mystery with production numbers, etc. of these strange carbines. Pretty amazing find by a fellow WACA member browsing the McCracken Research Library and came across a very important equivalent of a hundred year old “Post-It” note.
https://winchestercollector.org/magazines/198501/19/
https://winchestercollector.org/magazines/198903/32/
https://winchestercollector.org/magazines/199909/12/
https://winchestercollector.org/magazines/200903/16/
https://winchestercollector.org/magazines/201206/10/
https://winchestercollector.org/magazines/202103/55/
Don
deerhunter said
The 94/95 carbines were a source of a lot of head-scratching until fairly recently. Hence, they are the topic of a few articles in the WACA magazine dating all the way back to 1985–see attached links. Bert pretty much covered it, but another interesting trait is they have a 1:10 twist rather than the 1:12 twist normally found on rifles chambered for the 30-30 cartridge. The top carbine in my photo is featured in Bob Renneberg’s model 1894 book. The middle carbine (serial # 1025460) is featured in Kassab and Dunbar’s model 1895 book and is pictured in many of the attached WACA articles. The third carbine isn’t “famous.” The last article pretty much solves the mystery with production numbers, etc. of these strange carbines. Pretty amazing find by a fellow WACA member browsing the McCracken Research Library and came across a very important equivalent of a hundred year old “Post-It” note.https://winchestercollector.org/magazines/198501/19/
https://winchestercollector.org/magazines/198903/32/
https://winchestercollector.org/magazines/199909/12/
https://winchestercollector.org/magazines/200903/16/
https://winchestercollector.org/magazines/201206/10/
https://winchestercollector.org/magazines/202103/55/
Don
I like them. Wish I had one!
Paul, those are some fine 92’s. 1886’s are my main interest, but I do have this little guy in my safe. Anyone, feel free to rotate the letter. I give up!
oldcrankyyankee said
Paul, those are some fine 92’s. 1886’s are my main interest, but I do have this little guy in my safe. Anyone, feel free to rotate the letter. I give up!
Very nice, especially considering the age. Must have been rewarding to find this one.
Nevada Paul
Life Member NRA
Well, I wasn’t really in the market for it, but i couldn’t pass up the deal. I have been approached a few times to sell but I just can’t seem to let it go.
It is just so much fun to shoot those little tiny bullets some times!
oldcrankyyankee said
Paul, those are some fine 92’s. 1886’s are my main interest, but I do have this little guy in my safe. Anyone, feel free to rotate the letter. I give up!
Tom –
That is a lovely ’92 carbine! Love the pistol grip. Much of the time, when there is a pistol grip on a carbine, it is paired with a shotgun butt. Not for me – I love carbine butt with the pistol grip. Wonderful condition too. I am very envious.
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