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clarence said
mrcvs said
What it has going against it is that it exhibits heavy wear and is in a less desirable caliber for an early rifle. Most prefer .38-55 or .32-40 over .30 WCF.
Of course it’s a highly subjective judgement, but I think “heavy” wear would be better justified for a gun with no finish left at all, whereas this one has good blue remaining on rcvr. The pattern of wear on this gun is rather unusual; I wonder if it could have been caused by much use in & out of a saddle scabbard? And for a ’94 I intended to shoot, I’d damn sure choose .30 WCF over those hard to find cartridges.
Yes, agreed, if one intends to shoot this rifle, especially with off the shelf ammunition, .30 – 30 is much easier to obtain than .32 – 40 or .38 – 55.
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Assuming that the bore is in at least very good condition, that rifle would sell for approximately $2,700 – $3,000.
The forging striations that are clearly visible on both sides of the receiver frame were created by the cold rolling of the steel during the forging process. The lighter colored streaks you see are micro lines of greater hardness in the steel, which affected how well (deep) the bluing penetrated the steel. As a collector, I specifically look for those striations lines on the receiver frames of the pre-WW I production guns.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Chuck said
Your gun has a lot of high point wear. I’m not sure if it is unusual?
Chuck, what I thought was unusual is the high contrast in wear between the sides of the rcvr & the forend tip & other high points, which look almost polished. If a gun is carried by hand by the rcvr, the blue would be worn off there as quickly as anywhere else, but if it was being pulled in & out of a scabbard, the rcvr would be somewhat protected. But no doubt there are other ways it could have occurred.
Looks like the multitudes of other guns that were carried, stored, taken down, and used, but not necessarily abused. If the bore is a 8 out of 10 or better, then all the better. Wish the photos were a little lighter so see a little more of its condition, but looks like a decent gun from what can be seen.
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Bert H. said
Assuming that the bore is in at least very good condition, that rifle would sell for approximately $2,700 – $3,000.The forging striations that are clearly visible on both sides of the receiver frame were created by the cold rolling of the steel during the forging process. The lighter colored streaks you see are micro lines of greater hardness in the steel, which affected how well (deep) the bluing penetrated the steel. As a collector, I specifically look for those striations lines on the receiver frames of the pre-WW I production guns.
Bert
I guess I am behind the times! It seems like it wasn’t that long ago you could pick up a rifle such as this for quite a bit less.
Is $2700 to $3000 full retail or at auction at a moderately well known auction house? It used to be you needed considerable condition to push $3000.
Now I bought this at auction and it isn’t a Winchester 1894, but rather, its competitor, the Savage 1899. Recently purchased, and it cost me roughly half the suggested range of this 1894. It has decent condition, is a short rifle, and is in .32 – 40, which is why I wanted it. It’s difficult to find any lever rifle or carbine in .32 – 40! Of course, it cannot be an antique and this example was manufactured in 1907.
mrcvs said
Now I bought this at auction and it isn’t a Winchester 1894, but rather, its competitor, the Savage 1899.
5 yrs diff in date of introduction, but about 50 yrs diff in engineering. Now if Roy Chapman Andrews had been a movie star, rather than the inspiration for one, values between the two might be more comparable.
mrcvs said
Bert H. said
Assuming that the bore is in at least very good condition, that rifle would sell for approximately $2,700 – $3,000.
The forging striations that are clearly visible on both sides of the receiver frame were created by the cold rolling of the steel during the forging process. The lighter colored streaks you see are micro lines of greater hardness in the steel, which affected how well (deep) the bluing penetrated the steel. As a collector, I specifically look for those striations lines on the receiver frames of the pre-WW I production guns.
Bert
I guess I am behind the times! It seems like it wasn’t that long ago you could pick up a rifle such as this for quite a bit less.
Is $2700 to $3000 full retail or at auction at a moderately well known auction house? It used to be you needed considerable condition to push $3000.
Ian,
It is the fact that it is (1) Antique, (2) a Take Down, (3) 100% factory original other than possibly the upgraded sights. If you bought this at auction, the bid & juice would bring it to approximately $3K. In a private sale I would put a $2,900 price tag on it and dicker a few hundred.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert H. said
mrcvs said
Bert H. said
Assuming that the bore is in at least very good condition, that rifle would sell for approximately $2,700 – $3,000.
The forging striations that are clearly visible on both sides of the receiver frame were created by the cold rolling of the steel during the forging process. The lighter colored streaks you see are micro lines of greater hardness in the steel, which affected how well (deep) the bluing penetrated the steel. As a collector, I specifically look for those striations lines on the receiver frames of the pre-WW I production guns.
Bert
I guess I am behind the times! It seems like it wasn’t that long ago you could pick up a rifle such as this for quite a bit less.
Is $2700 to $3000 full retail or at auction at a moderately well known auction house? It used to be you needed considerable condition to push $3000.
Ian,
It is the fact that it is (1) Antique, (2) a Take Down, (3) 100% factory original other than possibly the upgraded sights. If you bought this at auction, the bid & juice would bring it to approximately $3K. In a private sale I would put a $2,900 price tag on it and dicker a few hundred.
Bert
Okay thanks! I’m way behind the times I guess!
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