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Interesting Model 1886 at auction today
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November 18, 2023 - 7:56 pm
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Already interesting in that it’s a very late .40-65 rifle (Dec 1903) and octagon with half magazine, but it also letters for “holes for Lyman receiver sight”, although it doesn’t appear that one has ever been installed during the first 119 years of this rifle’s existence.

very interesting…I wish it had more in the way of condition.

https://milestoneauctions.hibid.com/lot/174398822/special-order-winchester-model-1886-rifle?ref=catalog

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Interesting. Seems bidding stopped short of reserve. I think it should have brought more but there are so many higher condition guns commanding the attention (and dollars) of today’s auction buyer. 

 

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The gun sold on floor

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Interesting. Seems bidding stopped short of reserve. I think it should have brought more but there are so many higher condition guns commanding the attention (and dollars) of today’s auction buyer. 

Mike  

Sadly, a “brown” Winchester 1886 in an obscure black powder round from the 19th Century is not much more than a 2k rifle, even today, despite having several uncommon features.  A full octagon barrel with a half magazine, while not rare, certainly is not common.

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If it had a little more condition, I would have bid, the 40-65 is a fine cartridge! 

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 Some might say because it had a shotgun butt, short magazine, and was modern it sold cheap. I saw a full magazine, octagon barrel, and large crescent butt antique 86 sell at Tulsa for $1600. I came home from Tulsa thinking the brown gun market is soft and gun sales at the show were down. No shortage of auction companies there. How many guns can you sell before the market is saturated? How do you know if a gun really sold unless you were the one buying it? So far the demand has been keeping up to the supply. T/R   

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 Some might say because it had a shotgun butt, short magazine, and was modern it sold cheap. I saw a full magazine, octagon barrel, and large crescent butt antique 86 sell at Tulsa for $1600. I came home from Tulsa thinking the brown gun market is soft and gun sales at the show were down. No shortage of auction companies there. How many guns can you sell before the market is saturated? How do you know if a gun really sold unless you were the one buying it? So far the demand has been keeping up to the supply. T/R     

What was the condition of that $1600 1886?

Now that I look at photographs of this rifle again, this rifle certainly needs to have more bluing and less patina to be to the liking of most, but even though I used the term “brown” gun, it’s by no means a brown gun, either.

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 Some might say because it had a shotgun butt, short magazine, and was modern it sold cheap. I saw a full magazine, octagon barrel, and large crescent butt antique 86 sell at Tulsa for $1600. I came home from Tulsa thinking the brown gun market is soft and gun sales at the show were down. No shortage of auction companies there. How many guns can you sell before the market is saturated? How do you know if a gun really sold unless you were the one buying it? So far the demand has been keeping up to the supply. T/R     

What was the condition of that $1600 1886?

Now that I look at photographs of this rifle again, this rifle certainly needs to have more bluing and less patina to be to the liking of most, but even though I used the term “brown” gun, it’s by no means a brown gun, either.

  

I like the gun but I’m trying to follow the advice of my mentors and buy guns with more condition. Unfortunately an 1886 with the condition I should be buying is more than I want to spend right now so it’s a moot point. With my retirement mere months away I’m giving serious thought to focusing on shooting my old Winchesters rather than buying or selling. The 1886 was chambered in some very interesting cartridges so this gun appeals to me. Glad to see one go for what may have been a reasonable price.

 

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  A brown honest gun with traces of blue.

  Tulsa is a large show with 4200 tables, so selling there is hard. Most of the buyers are dealer/collectors and with all the guns everyone has a lot of ways to spend there money. But this show the money was tight. T/R

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I find the .40-65 in question of mild appeal.  I think Mike’s mentors are giving him excellent advice – try to buy guns with more condition.  However, it you just want one to shoot and play with, the market is presently very favorable for buying.

For me, for the last several years, I’ve been focusing on enjoying and having fun with what I have.  

 

Edit:  but I’m not saying the desire to add more isn’t there.  It is.  Sometimes very strong.

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I find the .40-65 in question of mild appeal.  I think Mike’s mentors are giving him excellent advice – try to buy guns with more condition.  However, it you just want one to shoot and play with, the market is presently very favorable for buying.

For me, for the last several years, I’ve been focusing on enjoying and having fun with what I have.  

Edit:  but I’m not saying the desire to add more isn’t there.  It is.  Sometimes very strong.  

Agreed!  Plenty of lower condition rifles out there, more than there are buyers for.  Now, high condition rifles will always be in demand!

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