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Maybe there should be an entire forum group dedicated to just GunBroker or just to Internet Gun Sales.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Item/593201817
This guy is selling a 44-40 Model 1892 Winchester rifle, as stated in his description. He even has a Cody Letter. Trouble is, the photos show it is a 38-40 Model 1892 rifle. Even better, the Cody Letter says it is a 44-40 Model 1892 Carbine????????????
"This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."
I asked the seller and he replied:
“Yes, unfortunately there was a mistake and the letter is one digit off. This is a rifle is 38 WCF.
Thanks!”
Why he doesn’t change it, I don’t know…
WACA Member. CFM Member. NRA Lifer.
November 7, 2015
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One digit off? Close doesn’t count.
November 7, 2015
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Letter appears to describe a carbine with a 5-digit SN. Pic of the SN of the rifle offered is not very clear.
Not on Gunbroker, but here is another pretty egregious fake… http://www.theoutdoorstrader.com/threads/fs-winchester-model-70-featherweight-pre-1964.1279365/
The barrel stamp looks very suspect… Possibly a .308 re-stamped to .358?
Gunbroker can be a very frustrating place, and they help to perpetuate a lot of fakes and deceit. One of the biggest problems is that they will not allow a seller to remove an item after it has been listed (helpful if there is misinformation in the listing). Also, once a bid has been placed, the title and description cannot be changed by the seller. But for me, the biggest problem is the fact that Gunbroker allows sellers to list an item as “as is”, with no refund given. I have fallen victim to trickery several times… the first was a 1903 Colt Hammer model that looked very nice in the photos, but arrived with a grip that was broken in two. It had obviously been dropped after the picture was taken. I returned it, but the seller sent it back to me saying that all sales were final. My loss. Another time, the bore on a Model 94 Winchester was described as “very good, 95%” When I got it, the bore was junk, with severe pitting, and a bulge in the barrel… looked like it had never been cleaned. I hesitated to leave negative feedback for both these sellers, for they would have retaliated against me with a negative. (Ebay solved this retaliation problem by not allowing sellers to leave a negative for a buyer, a simple and elegant solution). Gunbroker can be a very dishonest forum, and so I certainly learned my lesson.
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Lee,
My advice to anyone who has a negative experience with a Gunbroker seller, is to leave them a well worded negative feedback that details very specifically what was wrong with the transaction. If the seller wants to retaliate with a negative feedback to the buyer, post a well worded rebuttal. Future sellers/buyers who read it will usually come to the correct conclusion about what transpired. Frankly, there are a number of GB sellers that are bullies when it comes to this topic, and they continue to thrive unless more people take my advice and stand up to them.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Another GunBroker gem for sale. Can’t say as I’ve ever seen a barrel like this one, though no closeups are available. And a sawed off magazine tube being passed off as Special Order?
"This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."
January 26, 2011
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Stop dreaming and hit the Buy it Now.
~Gary~
Lee Davis said
But for me, the biggest problem is the fact that Gunbroker allows sellers to list an item as “as is”, with no refund given…
That the biggest problem, and I suffered the consequences of it very recently–an especially rare Stevens SS described as .22LR turned out to be .25-20 SS! Can you believe it?
But next worst is GB’s concealment of the length of time a given gun has been listed. I found this out a few years ago when I began an exhaustive search for Model 52s, which lasted over two years. Many of these 52s remained unsold after even a year, but the only way a viewer would know that is by observing the listings over the same length of time.
October 8, 2016
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Yes, a seller may end or edit an auction at any time before there is a bid on the item. I have done it when a rifle (not a Winchester) exhibited an issue after I listed it
Also many items are listed by brick-and-mortar gun stores and are for sale over-the-counter simultaneously and become unavailable.
I have had one major issue with an ‘as is, no refunds’ auction (1903 Springfield re-welded Drill Rifle palmed off as original and photographed so you couldn’t see the welds). In that case, I contacted the seller and politely threatened a fraud complaint to GB and negative feedback. He refunded my full purchase price and shipping.
As a seller, I have invoked ‘as is’ once. I sold a sporterized 1903, auction started at .01 and the rifle sold cheap. The purchaser contacted me claiming a minor problem requiring $70 worth of gun-smith repair and wanted me to pay for it. I reminded him that the rifle had sold ‘as is’ and for much less than I thought the rifle was really worth, BUT I offered to split the fee with him when it was done. I never heard from him again. No feedback either direction on that one.
I had to chuckle at this Gunbroker description…
This rifle is all original. It was was re-blued, re-checkered and an oil finish was applied.
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/602227681
I guess not everyone understands these rifles in the same way, but I am tempted to ask the seller in what way the rifle is “all original’!
pre64win said
I had to chuckle at this Gunbroker description…
I guess not everyone understands these rifles in the same way, but I am tempted to ask the seller in what way the rifle is “all original’!
Guess you have to give the guy credit for honesty, at least; many dealers would claim ignorance of such “minor problems” if, after receiving the gun, the buyer complained.
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