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Anyone else seeing what I’m seeing with this 1st Model 73.
http://auctions.morphyauctions.com/_A__Winchester_1873_Deluxe_1st_Model_Lever_Action_-LOT447877.aspx
Sincerely,
Maverick
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There about a half dozen things I see.
Bob
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1873man said
There about a half dozen things I see.Bob
Bob,
Please briefly summarize for the benefit of those not familiar with what they are seeing.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Serial number style, lower tang finish, wrong lever, lever latch, replaced dust cover and forearm checkering.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
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Bob
I will take a stab at this. This 73 looks good to me, but:
I do not see a set trigger in the pictures
The dust cover does not match
The tang sight was added and does not match
Wood checking redone?
Walter
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They do not use the word “original” in the description of the blue or case colors, always a red flag. Blued screws in the receiver. Blued dust cover. The shape of the custom lever latch. I see what looks like weld pits in the lever latch, lever, and lower tang. I don’t understand the serial number, is it 14700 or 4700, much less the style. That said the real problem is the price estimate. T/R
Gobbler,
They used a 2nd/3rd model lever and ground off the forward lug that is used for the trigger block safety. The problem with a later lever used on a first model is the lug that engages the thumb screw does not go back far enough so they welded up the thumb screw to make it work rather than add the metal to the lever. The dead giveaway is the shape of the finger loop. First model levers have a nice inside radius on the front and backs ends where a later lever has a more flattened or rectangular shape and the lug on the back goes back a bit farther and has a different profile.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
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The very first thing that jumped out to me was the serial number being “freshly cut” and also not being sure what the number is actually supposed to be. Then the next thing was the lever & latch. Somebody ground down a later lever and tried passing it as 1st model lever. Then they just made up a lever latch. Then looking at the finish on the lever, makes me jump to the finish on the receiver. Now I didn’t pay to much to the checkering itself, but agree with Bob. I noticed the fit looked off. Then everything else lined up. The gun has been reworked quite a bit. I wonder how “original” the cleaning rod is as well?
wallyb said
Bob
I do not see a set trigger in the pictures
Walter
Look again. It does have a set trigger.
Sincerely,
Maverick
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Is the sight elevator correct? It is in backwards. Almost looks like a Marlin piece?
It is in backwards.
Maverick
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Maverick said
It is in backwards.Maverick
After looking at another 1st model, the elevator is correct, but in backwards. 
The gun has been welded, cobbled together with the wrong parts, refinished poorly, and had the serial number applied by someone other than Winchester. The seller should disclosed the defects and give a fair estimate, the 20-22k estimate is misleading! T/R
Maverick said
The very first thing that jumped out to me was the serial number being “freshly cut” and also not being sure what the number is actually supposed to be. Then the next thing was the lever & latch. Somebody ground down a later lever and tried passing it as 1st model lever. Then they just made up a lever latch. Then looking at the finish on the lever, makes me jump to the finish on the receiver. Now I didn’t pay to much to the checkering itself, but agree with Bob. I noticed the fit looked off. Then everything else lined up. The gun has been reworked quite a bit. I wonder how “original” the cleaning rod is as well?Look again. It does have a set trigger.
Sincerely,
Maverick
Thank you.
1873man said
Gobbler,They used a 2nd/3rd model lever and ground off the forward lug that is used for the trigger block safety. The problem with a later lever used on a first model is the lug that engages the thumb screw does not go back far enough so they welded up the thumb screw to make it work rather than add the metal to the lever. The dead giveaway is the shape of the finger loop. First model levers have a nice inside radius on the front and backs ends where a later lever has a more flattened or rectangular shape and the lug on the back goes back a bit farther and has a different profile.
Bob
Thank you
gobblerforge said
Thank you
Did we save you some money from not bidding on that lot?
Sincerely,
Maverick
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