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If you do not have a copy of Harold’s fine book, I highly recommend buying a copy. At one time I had three copies of it, but I gave two of them away.

Fortunately, the price tag for a copy is still very reasonable – <a href="“>Winchester the Gun That Won the West: Harold F Williamson: 9780498083150: Amazon.com: Books</a></p> <p>Bert</p> <p>p.s. If needed, I can still dig through the tome to find the information you are seeing, but it is a rather large book.</p> <p> </p></blockquote> <p>Thanks. I just ordered it. A couple weeks for delivery though. Turtle Express Delivery.</p> </div></div><div id='spPostIndexUserFlexSignature162687' class='spPostUserSignature'><p><img data-upload="1" data-width="448" data-height="299" title="Signature-Pic.jpg" alt="Signature-Pic.jpg" src="http://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/twobit/2017/01/Signature-Pic.jpg" width="100" height="66" /></p> <p> </p> <p>Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation</p> </div><div style='clear: both;height:1px'></div></div></div><div class='spTopicPostSection spEven spType-Admin spRank-admin spUserPost' id='eachPost162688'><a id='p162688'></a><div class='spUserSection spLeft' id='spColTopic14103715125' style='min-height: 50px'><div class='spPlainSection'><div class='spPostUserAvatar spCenter'><img src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-avatars/1721007201Bert-Hartman-New-Photo.jpg' class='spAvatar' style='max-width: 50px' alt='Avatar' /></div><div id='spPostIndexUserName162688' class='spPostUserName spCenter'>Bert H.</div><div id='spPostIndexUserLocatin162688' class='spPostUserLocation spCenter'>Kingston, WA</div><div id='spPostIndexUserRank162688' class='spPostUserRank spCenter'><span class="spRank-admin">Admin </span></div><div id='spPostIndexUserPosts162688' class='spPostUserPosts spCenter'>Forum Posts: 12975</div><div id='spPostIndexUserRegistered162688' class='spPostUserRegistered spCenter'>Member Since:<br /> April 15, 2005</div><div id='spPostIndexUserStatus162688' class='spCenter spPostUserStatus'><span class='spPostUserStatusOffline'><img class='spIcon' src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-themes/reboot/images/lightpack/sp_UserOfflineSmall.png' alt='sp_UserOfflineSmall' /> Offline</span></div></div><div class='spCenter'></div></div><div class='spPostSection spRight' id='spColTopic23875398543' style='min-height: auto'><div class='spPostActionSection'><span id='spPostIndexNumber162688' class='spLabelBordered spLeft'>22</span><div id='spPostIndexUserDate162688' class='spPostUserDate spLeft'>April 17, 2025 - 6:02 pm</div><a class='spButton spLeft' id='spPostIndexPermalink162688' title='The post permalink' rel='nofollow' href='https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-rifles/flogging-the-wraco-stamp/page-2/#p162688'><img class='spIcon' src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-themes/reboot/images/sp_Permalink.png' alt='sp_Permalink' /> </a><a class='spButton spLeft spOpenDialog' id='spPostIndexPrint162688' title='Print this post' rel='nofollow' data-site='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-admin/admin-ajax.php?action=print&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwinchestercollector.org%2Fforum%2Fwinchester-rifles%2Fflogging-the-wraco-stamp%2F&id=20717&page=2&totalpages=3&index=22&_wpnonce=c791f2d8e5' data-label='Print Options' data-width='400' data-height='0' data-align='center'><img class='spIcon' src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-themes/reboot/images/sp_Print.png' alt='sp_Print' /> </a></div><div class='spPostContentSection'><div id='spPostIndexContent162688' class='spPostContent'><blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote"><p><strong>twobit said </strong></p> <blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote"><p> <strong>Bert H. said </strong></p> <p>If you do not have a copy of Harold’s fine book, I highly recommend buying a copy. At one time I had three copies of it, but I gave two of them away.</p> <p>Fortunately, the price tag for a copy is still very reasonable – <a href="<iframe title="Winchester the Gun That Won the West" width="550" height="550" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen src="https://read.amazon.com/kp/card?preview=inline&linkCode=kpd&ref_=k4w_oembed_Ff6LOH8NgtxEfl&asin=0498083152&tag=kpembed-20">“>Winchester the Gun That Won the West: Harold F Williamson: 9780498083150: Amazon.com: Books</a></p> <p>Bert</p> <p>p.s. If needed, I can still dig through the tome to find the information you are seeing, but it is a rather large book.</p> </blockquote> <p>Thanks. I just ordered it. A couple weeks for delivery though. Turtle Express Delivery.</p> </blockquote> <p>I suspect that you will greatly appreciate that research and information that Professor H. Williamson complied in the subject book. Many readers find it a bit dry, but I was highly fascinated by all of the company details that he discussed in the book.</p> </div></div><div id='spPostIndexUserFlexSignature162688' class='spPostUserSignature'><p>WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L<br /> <img title="High-walls-1-002-C-reduced2.jpg" alt="High-walls-1-002-C-reduced2.jpg" src="http://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/bert-h/2014/10/High-walls-1-002-C-reduced2.jpg" width="477" height="192" /></p> </div><div style='clear: both;height:1px'></div></div></div><div class='spTopicPostSection spOdd spType-User spRank-member spUsergroup-waca-member spUserPost' id='eachPost162690'><a id='p162690'></a><div class='spUserSection spLeft' id='spColTopic11434950216' style='min-height: 50px'><div class='spPlainSection'><div class='spPostUserAvatar spCenter'><img src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-avatars/1412271075Maverick_-_Title_Card.jpg' class='spAvatar' style='max-width: 50px' alt='Avatar' /></div><div id='spPostIndexUserName162690' class='spPostUserName spCenter'>Maverick</div><div id='spPostIndexUserRank162690' class='spPostUserRank spCenter'><span class="spRank-member">Member </span></div><div id='spPostIndexUserMemberships162690' class='spPostUserMemberships spCenter'><span class="spUserGroup-waca-member">WACA Member</span><br /></div><div id='spPostIndexUserPosts162690' class='spPostUserPosts spCenter'>Forum Posts: 2042</div><div id='spPostIndexUserRegistered162690' class='spPostUserRegistered spCenter'>Member Since:<br /> May 23, 2009</div><div id='spPostIndexUserStatus162690' class='spCenter spPostUserStatus'><span class='spPostUserStatusOffline'><img class='spIcon' src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-themes/reboot/images/lightpack/sp_UserOfflineSmall.png' alt='sp_UserOfflineSmall' /> Offline</span></div></div><div class='spCenter'></div></div><div class='spPostSection spRight' id='spColTopic23933975754' style='min-height: auto'><div class='spPostActionSection'><span id='spPostIndexNumber162690' class='spLabelBordered spLeft'>23</span><div id='spPostIndexUserDate162690' class='spPostUserDate spLeft'>April 17, 2025 - 6:53 pm</div><a class='spButton spLeft' id='spPostIndexPermalink162690' title='The post permalink' rel='nofollow' href='https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-rifles/flogging-the-wraco-stamp/page-2/#p162690'><img class='spIcon' src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-themes/reboot/images/sp_Permalink.png' alt='sp_Permalink' /> </a><a class='spButton spLeft spOpenDialog' id='spPostIndexPrint162690' title='Print this post' rel='nofollow' data-site='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-admin/admin-ajax.php?action=print&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwinchestercollector.org%2Fforum%2Fwinchester-rifles%2Fflogging-the-wraco-stamp%2F&id=20717&page=2&totalpages=3&index=23&_wpnonce=c791f2d8e5' data-label='Print Options' data-width='400' data-height='0' data-align='center'><img class='spIcon' src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-themes/reboot/images/sp_Print.png' alt='sp_Print' /> </a></div><div class='spPostContentSection'><div id='spPostIndexContent162690' class='spPostContent'><blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote"><p><strong>twobit said </strong></p> <blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote"><p> <strong>Bert H. said </strong></p> <p>If you do not have a copy of Harold’s fine book, I highly recommend buying a copy. At one time I had three copies of it, but I gave two of them away.</p> <p>Fortunately, the price tag for a copy is still very reasonable – <a href="<iframe title="Winchester the Gun That Won the West" width="550" height="550" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen src="https://read.amazon.com/kp/card?preview=inline&linkCode=kpd&ref_=k4w_oembed_o6kEkAQ6aygMiW&asin=0498083152&tag=kpembed-20">“>Winchester the Gun That Won the West: Harold F Williamson: 9780498083150: Amazon.com: Books</a></p> <p>Bert</p> <p>p.s. If needed, I can still dig through the tome to find the information you are seeing, but it is a rather large book. </p> </blockquote> <p>Thanks. I just ordered it. A couple weeks for delivery though. Turtle Express Delivery. </p> </blockquote> <p>A lot of libraries will have a copy of Williamson’s book. Including the ones online. Nothing wrong with having a hard copy though.</p> <p><a href="https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015004485176&seq=11" target="_blank">https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015004485176&seq=11</a></p> </div></div><div id='spPostIndexUserFlexSignature162690' class='spPostUserSignature'><p><img data-upload="1" data-width="574" data-height="250" title="ToolArray-SignatureLowRes-4.jpg" alt="ToolArray-SignatureLowRes-4.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/maverick/2019/09/ToolArray-SignatureLowRes-4.jpg" width="100" height="43" /></p> <p style="text-align: left">WACA #8783 - Checkout my Reloading Tool Survey!</p> <p><a href="https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-research-surveys/winchester-reloading-tool-survey/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-research-surveys/winchester-reloading-tool-survey/</a></p> </div><div style='clear: both;height:1px'></div></div></div><div class='spTopicPostSection spEven spType-User spRank-member spUsergroup-waca-member spUserPost' id='eachPost162692'><a id='p162692'></a><div class='spUserSection spLeft' id='spColTopic13105636334' style='min-height: 50px'><div class='spPlainSection'><div class='spPostUserAvatar spCenter'><img src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-avatars/169350758017_768_Battle-Flag02_BRANDED.jpg' class='spAvatar' style='max-width: 50px' alt='Avatar' /></div><div id='spPostIndexUserName162692' class='spPostUserName spCenter'>Jeremy P</div><div id='spPostIndexUserLocatin162692' class='spPostUserLocation spCenter'>The Great State</div><div id='spPostIndexUserRank162692' class='spPostUserRank spCenter'><span class="spRank-member">Member</span></div><div id='spPostIndexUserMemberships162692' class='spPostUserMemberships spCenter'><span class="spUserGroup-waca-member">WACA Member</span><br /></div><div id='spPostIndexUserPosts162692' class='spPostUserPosts spCenter'>Forum Posts: 915</div><div id='spPostIndexUserRegistered162692' class='spPostUserRegistered spCenter'>Member Since:<br /> April 30, 2023</div><div id='spPostIndexUserStatus162692' class='spCenter spPostUserStatus'><span class='spPostUserStatusOffline'><img class='spIcon' src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-themes/reboot/images/lightpack/sp_UserOfflineSmall.png' alt='sp_UserOfflineSmall' /> Offline</span></div></div><div class='spCenter'></div></div><div class='spPostSection spRight' id='spColTopic22855402792' style='min-height: auto'><div class='spPostActionSection'><span id='spPostIndexNumber162692' class='spLabelBordered spLeft'>24</span><div id='spPostIndexUserDate162692' class='spPostUserDate spLeft'>April 17, 2025 - 7:11 pm</div><a class='spButton spLeft' id='spPostIndexPermalink162692' title='The post permalink' rel='nofollow' href='https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-rifles/flogging-the-wraco-stamp/page-2/#p162692'><img class='spIcon' src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-themes/reboot/images/sp_Permalink.png' alt='sp_Permalink' /> </a><a class='spButton spLeft spOpenDialog' id='spPostIndexPrint162692' title='Print this post' rel='nofollow' data-site='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-admin/admin-ajax.php?action=print&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwinchestercollector.org%2Fforum%2Fwinchester-rifles%2Fflogging-the-wraco-stamp%2F&id=20717&page=2&totalpages=3&index=24&_wpnonce=c791f2d8e5' data-label='Print Options' data-width='400' data-height='0' data-align='center'><img class='spIcon' src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-themes/reboot/images/sp_Print.png' alt='sp_Print' /> </a></div><div class='spPostContentSection'><div id='spPostIndexContent162692' class='spPostContent'><p>Thanks for the PDF link, I was able to download the whole book through my school relationship. I like to feed those PDFs to tools like NotebookLM (google) or ChatGPT and they’ll pull out summaries or find info for you at lightning speed…very cool. I literally just finished the hard book (thanks Mike!) and Bert, you’re right, he spared no attention to the business dealings, much of which was fascinating!</p> </div></div><div style='clear: both;height:1px'></div></div></div><div class='spTopicPostSection spOdd spType-User spRank-member spUsergroup-waca-member spUserPost' id='eachPost162722'><a id='p162722'></a><div class='spUserSection spLeft' id='spColTopic1634458587' style='min-height: 50px'><div class='spPlainSection'><div class='spPostUserAvatar spCenter'><img src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-avatars/1526491463Avatar.jpg' class='spAvatar' style='max-width: 50px' alt='Avatar' /></div><div id='spPostIndexUserName162722' class='spPostUserName spCenter'>1892takedown</div><div id='spPostIndexUserLocatin162722' class='spPostUserLocation spCenter'>South Texas</div><div id='spPostIndexUserRank162722' class='spPostUserRank spCenter'><span class="spRank-member">Member </span></div><div 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class='spPostContent'><p>Here are a couple examples we had years ago that are WRACo stamped, both 38-55’s. </p> <p>Rifle</p> <p><img loading="lazy" data-upload="1" data-width="1563" data-height="526" title="11-27-2009-058.JPG" alt="11-27-2009-058.JPG" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/1892takedown/2025/04/11-27-2009-058.JPG" width="100" height="33" /><img loading="lazy" data-upload="1" data-width="1600" data-height="1200" title="11-27-2009-072.JPG" alt="11-27-2009-072.JPG" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/1892takedown/2025/04/11-27-2009-072.JPG" width="100" height="75" /><img loading="lazy" data-upload="1" data-width="1600" data-height="1200" title="11-27-2009-073.JPG" alt="11-27-2009-073.JPG" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/1892takedown/2025/04/11-27-2009-073.JPG" width="100" height="75" /><img loading="lazy" data-upload="1" data-width="1600" 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width="100" height="75" /></p> <p> </p> <p> </p> <p>Carbine</p> <p> </p> <p><img loading="lazy" data-upload="1" data-width="1600" data-height="1200" title="1894-WRACO-38-55-2.JPG" alt="1894-WRACO-38-55-2.JPG" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/1892takedown/2025/04/1894-WRACO-38-55-2.JPG" width="100" height="75" /><img loading="lazy" data-upload="1" data-width="1600" data-height="1200" title="1894-WRACO-38-55-5.JPG" alt="1894-WRACO-38-55-5.JPG" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/1892takedown/2025/04/1894-WRACO-38-55-5.JPG" width="100" height="75" /><img loading="lazy" data-upload="1" data-width="1600" data-height="1200" title="1894-WRACO-38-55-20.JPG" alt="1894-WRACO-38-55-20.JPG" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/1892takedown/2025/04/1894-WRACO-38-55-20.JPG" width="100" height="75" /><img loading="lazy" data-upload="1" data-width="1600" 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class='spPostContent'><p>So based on George’s letter, at least his theory was that Sears or the like company defaced / obliterated the serial numbers. As seen like on the Model 1887 I posted. Then when ever a such a gun with defaced serial was returned to the factory for repair. The factory would then apply such WRACO markings. </p> <p>Interesting theory and letter from Madis.</p> </div></div><div id='spPostIndexUserFlexSignature162734' class='spPostUserSignature'><p><img data-upload="1" data-width="574" data-height="250" title="ToolArray-SignatureLowRes-4.jpg" alt="ToolArray-SignatureLowRes-4.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/maverick/2019/09/ToolArray-SignatureLowRes-4.jpg" width="100" height="43" /></p> <p style="text-align: left">WACA #8783 - Checkout my Reloading Tool Survey!</p> <p><a href="https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-research-surveys/winchester-reloading-tool-survey/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-research-surveys/winchester-reloading-tool-survey/</a></p> </div><div style='clear: both;height:1px'></div></div></div><div class='spTopicPostSection spOdd spType-Admin spRank-admin spUserPost' id='eachPost162735'><a id='p162735'></a><div class='spUserSection spLeft' id='spColTopic12333287261' style='min-height: 50px'><div class='spPlainSection'><div class='spPostUserAvatar spCenter'><img src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-avatars/1721007201Bert-Hartman-New-Photo.jpg' class='spAvatar' style='max-width: 50px' alt='Avatar' /></div><div id='spPostIndexUserName162735' class='spPostUserName spCenter'>Bert H.</div><div id='spPostIndexUserLocatin162735' class='spPostUserLocation spCenter'>Kingston, WA</div><div id='spPostIndexUserRank162735' class='spPostUserRank spCenter'><span class="spRank-admin">Admin </span></div><div id='spPostIndexUserPosts162735' class='spPostUserPosts spCenter'>Forum Posts: 12975</div><div id='spPostIndexUserRegistered162735' class='spPostUserRegistered spCenter'>Member Since:<br /> April 15, 2005</div><div id='spPostIndexUserStatus162735' class='spCenter spPostUserStatus'><span class='spPostUserStatusOffline'><img class='spIcon' src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-themes/reboot/images/lightpack/sp_UserOfflineSmall.png' alt='sp_UserOfflineSmall' /> Offline</span></div></div><div class='spCenter'></div></div><div class='spPostSection spRight' id='spColTopic24276707222' style='min-height: auto'><div class='spPostActionSection'><span id='spPostIndexNumber162735' class='spLabelBordered spLeft'>27</span><div id='spPostIndexUserDate162735' class='spPostUserDate spLeft'>April 18, 2025 - 7:19 am</div><a class='spButton spLeft' id='spPostIndexPermalink162735' title='The post permalink' rel='nofollow' href='https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-rifles/flogging-the-wraco-stamp/page-2/#p162735'><img class='spIcon' src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-themes/reboot/images/sp_Permalink.png' alt='sp_Permalink' /> </a><a class='spButton spLeft spOpenDialog' id='spPostIndexPrint162735' title='Print this post' rel='nofollow' data-site='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-admin/admin-ajax.php?action=print&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwinchestercollector.org%2Fforum%2Fwinchester-rifles%2Fflogging-the-wraco-stamp%2F&id=20717&page=2&totalpages=3&index=27&_wpnonce=c791f2d8e5' data-label='Print Options' data-width='400' data-height='0' data-align='center'><img class='spIcon' src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-themes/reboot/images/sp_Print.png' alt='sp_Print' /> </a><a class='spButton spLeft spEditPostHistory' id='spPostIndexEditHistory162735' title='View edit history' rel='nofollow' data-html='<p>Edited by Bert H. on April 18, 2025 - 5:35 pm<br /></p>' data-label='View edit history' data-width='400' data-height='0' data-align='0'><img class='spIcon' src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-themes/reboot/images/sp_EditHistory.png' alt='sp_EditHistory' /> </a></div><div class='spPostContentSection'><div id='spPostIndexContent162735' class='spPostContent'><blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote"><p> <strong>Maverick said </strong><br /> So based on George’s letter, at least his theory was that Sears or the like company defaced / obliterated the serial numbers. As seen like on the Model 1887 I posted. Then when ever a such a gun with defaced serial was returned to the factory for repair. The factory would then apply such WRACO markings. </p> <p>Interesting theory and letter from Madis.</p> </blockquote> <p>While that theory is remotely possible, I seriously doubt that Winchester’s employees would have been that sloppy with the application of the “WRACO” markings. Further, there are no known factory notices, memos, or any other documentation that supports or mentions remarking obliterated serial numbers with that marking. I personally am nearly 100% certain that it was perpetrated by Sears or by the straw buyers that sold the guns to Sears.</p> <p>Bert</p> </div></div><div id='spPostIndexUserFlexSignature162735' class='spPostUserSignature'><p>WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L<br /> <img title="High-walls-1-002-C-reduced2.jpg" alt="High-walls-1-002-C-reduced2.jpg" src="http://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/bert-h/2014/10/High-walls-1-002-C-reduced2.jpg" width="477" height="192" /></p> </div><div style='clear: both;height:1px'></div></div></div><div class='spTopicPostSection spEven spType-User spRank-member spUsergroup-waca-member spUserPost' id='eachPost162754'><a id='p162754'></a><div class='spUserSection spLeft' id='spColTopic13499934953' style='min-height: 50px'><div class='spPlainSection'><div class='spPostUserAvatar spCenter'><img src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-avatars/1522536268Fairlane.jpg' class='spAvatar' style='max-width: 50px' alt='Avatar' /></div><div id='spPostIndexUserName162754' class='spPostUserName spCenter'>Chuck</div><div id='spPostIndexUserRank162754' class='spPostUserRank spCenter'><span class="spRank-member">Member </span></div><div id='spPostIndexUserMemberships162754' class='spPostUserMemberships spCenter'><span class="spUserGroup-waca-member">WACA Member</span><br /></div><div id='spPostIndexUserPosts162754' class='spPostUserPosts spCenter'>Forum Posts: 5856</div><div id='spPostIndexUserRegistered162754' class='spPostUserRegistered spCenter'>Member Since:<br /> March 31, 2009</div><div id='spPostIndexUserStatus162754' class='spCenter spPostUserStatus'><span class='spPostUserStatusOffline'><img class='spIcon' src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-themes/reboot/images/lightpack/sp_UserOfflineSmall.png' alt='sp_UserOfflineSmall' /> Offline</span></div></div><div class='spCenter'></div></div><div class='spPostSection spRight' id='spColTopic22902181441' style='min-height: auto'><div class='spPostActionSection'><span id='spPostIndexNumber162754' class='spLabelBordered spLeft'>28</span><div id='spPostIndexUserDate162754' class='spPostUserDate spLeft'>April 18, 2025 - 5:13 pm</div><a class='spButton spLeft' id='spPostIndexPermalink162754' title='The post permalink' rel='nofollow' href='https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-rifles/flogging-the-wraco-stamp/page-2/#p162754'><img class='spIcon' src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-themes/reboot/images/sp_Permalink.png' alt='sp_Permalink' /> </a><a class='spButton spLeft spOpenDialog' id='spPostIndexPrint162754' title='Print this post' rel='nofollow' data-site='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-admin/admin-ajax.php?action=print&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwinchestercollector.org%2Fforum%2Fwinchester-rifles%2Fflogging-the-wraco-stamp%2F&id=20717&page=2&totalpages=3&index=28&_wpnonce=c791f2d8e5' data-label='Print Options' data-width='400' data-height='0' data-align='center'><img class='spIcon' src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-themes/reboot/images/sp_Print.png' alt='sp_Print' /> </a><a class='spButton spLeft spEditPostHistory' id='spPostIndexEditHistory162754' title='View edit history' rel='nofollow' data-html='<p>Edited by Chuck on April 18, 2025 - 5:14 pm<br /></p>' data-label='View edit history' data-width='400' data-height='0' data-align='0'><img class='spIcon' src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-themes/reboot/images/sp_EditHistory.png' alt='sp_EditHistory' /> </a></div><div class='spPostContentSection'><div id='spPostIndexContent162754' class='spPostContent'><p>I think Bert is correct. Sears, or their supplier, did this so no one could track the original supplier.</p> </div></div><div style='clear: both;height:1px'></div></div></div><div class='spTopicPostSection spOdd spType-User spRank-member spUsergroup-waca-member spUserPost' id='eachPost162775'><a id='p162775'></a><div class='spUserSection spLeft' id='spColTopic11961433873' style='min-height: 50px'><div class='spPlainSection'><div class='spPostUserAvatar spCenter'><img src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-avatars/1412271075Maverick_-_Title_Card.jpg' class='spAvatar' style='max-width: 50px' alt='Avatar' /></div><div id='spPostIndexUserName162775' class='spPostUserName spCenter'>Maverick</div><div id='spPostIndexUserRank162775' class='spPostUserRank spCenter'><span class="spRank-member">Member </span></div><div id='spPostIndexUserMemberships162775' class='spPostUserMemberships spCenter'><span class="spUserGroup-waca-member">WACA Member</span><br /></div><div id='spPostIndexUserPosts162775' class='spPostUserPosts spCenter'>Forum Posts: 2042</div><div id='spPostIndexUserRegistered162775' class='spPostUserRegistered spCenter'>Member Since:<br /> May 23, 2009</div><div id='spPostIndexUserStatus162775' class='spCenter spPostUserStatus'><span class='spPostUserStatusOffline'><img class='spIcon' src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-themes/reboot/images/lightpack/sp_UserOfflineSmall.png' alt='sp_UserOfflineSmall' /> Offline</span></div></div><div class='spCenter'></div></div><div class='spPostSection spRight' id='spColTopic24047911035' style='min-height: auto'><div class='spPostActionSection'><span id='spPostIndexNumber162775' class='spLabelBordered spLeft'>29</span><div id='spPostIndexUserDate162775' class='spPostUserDate spLeft'>April 18, 2025 - 7:54 pm</div><a class='spButton spLeft' id='spPostIndexPermalink162775' title='The post permalink' rel='nofollow' href='https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-rifles/flogging-the-wraco-stamp/page-2/#p162775'><img class='spIcon' src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-themes/reboot/images/sp_Permalink.png' alt='sp_Permalink' /> </a><a class='spButton spLeft spOpenDialog' id='spPostIndexPrint162775' title='Print this post' rel='nofollow' data-site='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-admin/admin-ajax.php?action=print&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwinchestercollector.org%2Fforum%2Fwinchester-rifles%2Fflogging-the-wraco-stamp%2F&id=20717&page=2&totalpages=3&index=29&_wpnonce=c791f2d8e5' data-label='Print Options' data-width='400' data-height='0' data-align='center'><img class='spIcon' src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-themes/reboot/images/sp_Print.png' alt='sp_Print' /> </a></div><div class='spPostContentSection'><div id='spPostIndexContent162775' class='spPostContent'><blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote"><p><strong>Chuck said </strong><br /> I think Bert is correct. Sears, or their supplier, did this so no one could track the original supplier.</p> </blockquote> <p>But the point of the discussion is that there is no proof to the contrary and vice versa. No documentation that Winchester did this practice. No documentation that Sears or their supplier did this practice.</p> <p>That said, being such a nefarious activity or purpose, I doubt Sears or the like would have documented such a practice. I’m inclined to believe that what is stated in Williamson’s book to be the scenario that is most likely true. </p> <p>Sincerely,</p> <p>Maverick</p> </div></div><div id='spPostIndexUserFlexSignature162775' class='spPostUserSignature'><p><img data-upload="1" data-width="574" data-height="250" title="ToolArray-SignatureLowRes-4.jpg" alt="ToolArray-SignatureLowRes-4.jpg" src="https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/maverick/2019/09/ToolArray-SignatureLowRes-4.jpg" width="100" height="43" /></p> <p style="text-align: left">WACA #8783 - Checkout my Reloading Tool Survey!</p> <p><a href="https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-research-surveys/winchester-reloading-tool-survey/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-research-surveys/winchester-reloading-tool-survey/</a></p> </div><div style='clear: both;height:1px'></div></div></div><div class='spTopicPostSection spEven spType-User spRank-member spUsergroup-waca-member spUserPost' id='eachPost162778'><a id='p162778'></a><div class='spUserSection spLeft' id='spColTopic11264941040' style='min-height: 50px'><div class='spPlainSection'><div class='spPostUserAvatar spCenter'><img src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-avatars/defaults/userdefault.png' class='spAvatar' style='max-width: 50px' alt='Avatar' /></div><div id='spPostIndexUserName162778' class='spPostUserName spCenter'>sb</div><div id='spPostIndexUserRank162778' class='spPostUserRank spCenter'><span class="spRank-member">Member</span></div><div id='spPostIndexUserMemberships162778' class='spPostUserMemberships spCenter'><span class="spUserGroup-waca-member">WACA Member</span><br /></div><div id='spPostIndexUserPosts162778' class='spPostUserPosts spCenter'>Forum Posts: 471</div><div id='spPostIndexUserRegistered162778' class='spPostUserRegistered spCenter'>Member Since:<br /> November 8, 2011</div><div id='spPostIndexUserStatus162778' class='spCenter spPostUserStatus'><span class='spPostUserStatusOffline'><img class='spIcon' src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-themes/reboot/images/lightpack/sp_UserOfflineSmall.png' alt='sp_UserOfflineSmall' /> Offline</span></div></div><div class='spCenter'></div></div><div class='spPostSection spRight' id='spColTopic21233246372' style='min-height: auto'><div class='spPostActionSection'><span id='spPostIndexNumber162778' class='spLabelBordered spLeft'>30</span><div id='spPostIndexUserDate162778' class='spPostUserDate spLeft'>April 18, 2025 - 8:07 pm</div><a class='spButton spLeft' id='spPostIndexPermalink162778' title='The post permalink' rel='nofollow' href='https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-rifles/flogging-the-wraco-stamp/page-2/#p162778'><img class='spIcon' src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-themes/reboot/images/sp_Permalink.png' alt='sp_Permalink' /> </a><a class='spButton spLeft spOpenDialog' id='spPostIndexPrint162778' title='Print this post' rel='nofollow' data-site='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-admin/admin-ajax.php?action=print&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwinchestercollector.org%2Fforum%2Fwinchester-rifles%2Fflogging-the-wraco-stamp%2F&id=20717&page=2&totalpages=3&index=30&_wpnonce=c791f2d8e5' data-label='Print Options' data-width='400' data-height='0' data-align='center'><img class='spIcon' src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-themes/reboot/images/sp_Print.png' alt='sp_Print' /> </a></div><div class='spPostContentSection'><div id='spPostIndexContent162778' class='spPostContent'><p>I doubt that Sears was doing the marking but if a third party was acquiring guns for Sears then it seems quite possible that the acquiring party might have been behind it.</p> <p>But, then Sears would have been shipping the defaced guns to customers. That seems unlikely to me.</p> </div></div><div style='clear: both;height:1px'></div></div></div><div class='spTopicPostSection spOdd spType-Admin spRank-admin spUserPost' id='eachPost162779'><a id='p162779'></a><div class='spUserSection spLeft' id='spColTopic11972123156' style='min-height: 50px'><div class='spPlainSection'><div class='spPostUserAvatar spCenter'><img src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-avatars/1721007201Bert-Hartman-New-Photo.jpg' class='spAvatar' style='max-width: 50px' alt='Avatar' /></div><div id='spPostIndexUserName162779' class='spPostUserName spCenter'>Bert H.</div><div id='spPostIndexUserLocatin162779' class='spPostUserLocation spCenter'>Kingston, WA</div><div id='spPostIndexUserRank162779' class='spPostUserRank spCenter'><span class="spRank-admin">Admin </span></div><div id='spPostIndexUserPosts162779' class='spPostUserPosts spCenter'>Forum Posts: 12975</div><div id='spPostIndexUserRegistered162779' class='spPostUserRegistered spCenter'>Member Since:<br /> April 15, 2005</div><div id='spPostIndexUserStatus162779' class='spCenter spPostUserStatus'><span class='spPostUserStatusOffline'><img class='spIcon' src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-themes/reboot/images/lightpack/sp_UserOfflineSmall.png' alt='sp_UserOfflineSmall' /> Offline</span></div></div><div class='spCenter'></div></div><div class='spPostSection spRight' id='spColTopic22424192260' style='min-height: auto'><div class='spPostActionSection'><span id='spPostIndexNumber162779' class='spLabelBordered spLeft'>31</span><div id='spPostIndexUserDate162779' class='spPostUserDate spLeft'>April 18, 2025 - 8:27 pm</div><a class='spButton spLeft' id='spPostIndexPermalink162779' title='The post permalink' rel='nofollow' href='https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-rifles/flogging-the-wraco-stamp/page-2/#p162779'><img class='spIcon' src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-themes/reboot/images/sp_Permalink.png' alt='sp_Permalink' /> </a><a class='spButton spLeft spOpenDialog' id='spPostIndexPrint162779' title='Print this post' rel='nofollow' data-site='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-admin/admin-ajax.php?action=print&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwinchestercollector.org%2Fforum%2Fwinchester-rifles%2Fflogging-the-wraco-stamp%2F&id=20717&page=2&totalpages=3&index=31&_wpnonce=c791f2d8e5' data-label='Print Options' data-width='400' data-height='0' data-align='center'><img class='spIcon' src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-themes/reboot/images/sp_Print.png' alt='sp_Print' /> </a></div><div class='spPostContentSection'><div id='spPostIndexContent162779' class='spPostContent'><blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote"><p><strong>sb said </strong><br /> I doubt that Sears was doing the marking but if a third party was acquiring guns for Sears then it seems quite possible that the acquiring party might have been behind it.</p> <p>But, then Sears would have been shipping the defaced guns to customers. That seems unlikely to me.</p> <p> </p></blockquote> <p>I doubt that Sears actually shipped many of the guns that they sold. Most of them were most likely local sales out of the Chicago store front. The customers buying the guns most likely could care less about the WRACO marking, as they were buying the gun for substantially less $$ than what it would have cost them to but the same gun elsewhere.</p> <p>Bert</p> </div></div><div id='spPostIndexUserFlexSignature162779' class='spPostUserSignature'><p>WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L<br /> <img title="High-walls-1-002-C-reduced2.jpg" alt="High-walls-1-002-C-reduced2.jpg" src="http://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/bert-h/2014/10/High-walls-1-002-C-reduced2.jpg" width="477" height="192" /></p> </div><div style='clear: both;height:1px'></div></div></div><div class='spTopicPostSection spEven spType-User spRank-member spUsergroup-waca-member spUserPost' id='eachPost162781'><a id='p162781'></a><div class='spUserSection spLeft' id='spColTopic12456748904' style='min-height: 50px'><div class='spPlainSection'><div class='spPostUserAvatar spCenter'><img src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-avatars/defaults/userdefault.png' class='spAvatar' style='max-width: 50px' alt='Avatar' /></div><div id='spPostIndexUserName162781' class='spPostUserName spCenter'>sb</div><div id='spPostIndexUserRank162781' class='spPostUserRank spCenter'><span class="spRank-member">Member</span></div><div id='spPostIndexUserMemberships162781' class='spPostUserMemberships spCenter'><span class="spUserGroup-waca-member">WACA Member</span><br /></div><div id='spPostIndexUserPosts162781' class='spPostUserPosts spCenter'>Forum Posts: 471</div><div id='spPostIndexUserRegistered162781' class='spPostUserRegistered spCenter'>Member Since:<br /> November 8, 2011</div><div id='spPostIndexUserStatus162781' class='spCenter spPostUserStatus'><span class='spPostUserStatusOffline'><img class='spIcon' src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-themes/reboot/images/lightpack/sp_UserOfflineSmall.png' alt='sp_UserOfflineSmall' /> Offline</span></div></div><div class='spCenter'></div></div><div class='spPostSection spRight' id='spColTopic24103696819' style='min-height: auto'><div class='spPostActionSection'><span id='spPostIndexNumber162781' class='spLabelBordered spLeft'>32</span><div id='spPostIndexUserDate162781' class='spPostUserDate spLeft'>April 18, 2025 - 8:37 pm</div><a class='spButton spLeft' id='spPostIndexPermalink162781' title='The post permalink' rel='nofollow' href='https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-rifles/flogging-the-wraco-stamp/page-2/#p162781'><img class='spIcon' src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-themes/reboot/images/sp_Permalink.png' alt='sp_Permalink' /> </a><a class='spButton spLeft spOpenDialog' id='spPostIndexPrint162781' title='Print this post' rel='nofollow' data-site='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-admin/admin-ajax.php?action=print&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwinchestercollector.org%2Fforum%2Fwinchester-rifles%2Fflogging-the-wraco-stamp%2F&id=20717&page=2&totalpages=3&index=32&_wpnonce=c791f2d8e5' data-label='Print Options' data-width='400' data-height='0' data-align='center'><img class='spIcon' src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-themes/reboot/images/sp_Print.png' alt='sp_Print' /> </a></div><div class='spPostContentSection'><div id='spPostIndexContent162781' class='spPostContent'><blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote"><p><strong>Bert H. said </strong></p> <blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote"><p> <strong>sb said </strong></p> <p>I doubt that Sears was doing the marking but if a third party was acquiring guns for Sears then it seems quite possible that the acquiring party might have been behind it.</p> <p>But, then Sears would have been shipping the defaced guns to customers. That seems unlikely to me.</p> <p> </p> </blockquote> <p>I doubt that Sears actually shipped many of the guns that they sold. Most of them were most likely local sales out of the Chicago store front. The customers buying the guns most likely could care less about the WRACO marking, as they were buying the gun for substantially less $$ than what it would have cost them to but the same gun elsewhere.</p> <p>Bert</p> <p> </p></blockquote> <p>I don’t know about the quantity shipped as the Sears catalog sales were enormous and many rural areas prcatically lived out of the catalog. Good point about the pricing. Thinking about it, I doubt a customer would care especially if they were saving a substantial amount. In fact, most probably didn’t notice or just assumed it was a Winchester mark. </p> </div></div><div style='clear: both;height:1px'></div></div></div><div class='spTopicPostSection spOdd spType-User spRank-member spUsergroup-waca-member spUserPost' id='eachPost162783'><a id='p162783'></a><div class='spUserSection spLeft' id='spColTopic12188314194' style='min-height: 50px'><div class='spPlainSection'><div class='spPostUserAvatar spCenter'><img src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-avatars/1522536268Fairlane.jpg' class='spAvatar' style='max-width: 50px' alt='Avatar' /></div><div id='spPostIndexUserName162783' class='spPostUserName spCenter'>Chuck</div><div id='spPostIndexUserRank162783' class='spPostUserRank spCenter'><span class="spRank-member">Member </span></div><div id='spPostIndexUserMemberships162783' class='spPostUserMemberships spCenter'><span class="spUserGroup-waca-member">WACA Member</span><br /></div><div id='spPostIndexUserPosts162783' class='spPostUserPosts spCenter'>Forum Posts: 5856</div><div id='spPostIndexUserRegistered162783' class='spPostUserRegistered spCenter'>Member Since:<br /> March 31, 2009</div><div id='spPostIndexUserStatus162783' class='spCenter spPostUserStatus'><span class='spPostUserStatusOffline'><img class='spIcon' src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-themes/reboot/images/lightpack/sp_UserOfflineSmall.png' alt='sp_UserOfflineSmall' /> Offline</span></div></div><div class='spCenter'></div></div><div class='spPostSection spRight' id='spColTopic24057297228' style='min-height: auto'><div class='spPostActionSection'><span id='spPostIndexNumber162783' class='spLabelBordered spLeft'>33</span><div id='spPostIndexUserDate162783' class='spPostUserDate spLeft'>April 18, 2025 - 9:07 pm</div><a class='spButton spLeft' id='spPostIndexPermalink162783' title='The post permalink' rel='nofollow' href='https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-rifles/flogging-the-wraco-stamp/page-2/#p162783'><img class='spIcon' src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-themes/reboot/images/sp_Permalink.png' alt='sp_Permalink' /> </a><a class='spButton spLeft spOpenDialog' id='spPostIndexPrint162783' title='Print this post' rel='nofollow' data-site='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-admin/admin-ajax.php?action=print&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwinchestercollector.org%2Fforum%2Fwinchester-rifles%2Fflogging-the-wraco-stamp%2F&id=20717&page=2&totalpages=3&index=33&_wpnonce=c791f2d8e5' data-label='Print Options' data-width='400' data-height='0' data-align='center'><img class='spIcon' src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-themes/reboot/images/sp_Print.png' alt='sp_Print' /> </a><a class='spButton spLeft spEditPostHistory' id='spPostIndexEditHistory162783' title='View edit history' rel='nofollow' data-html='<p>Edited by Chuck on April 18, 2025 - 9:11 pm<br />Edited by Chuck on April 18, 2025 - 9:38 pm<br /></p>' data-label='View edit history' data-width='400' data-height='0' data-align='0'><img class='spIcon' src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-themes/reboot/images/sp_EditHistory.png' alt='sp_EditHistory' /> </a></div><div class='spPostContentSection'><div id='spPostIndexContent162783' class='spPostContent'><blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote"><p> <strong>Maverick said </strong></p> <blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote"><p> <strong>Chuck said </strong></p> <p>I think Bert is correct. Sears, or their supplier, did this so no one could track the original supplier.</p> </blockquote> <p>But the point of the discussion is that there is no proof to the contrary and vice versa. No documentation that Winchester did this practice. No documentation that Sears or their supplier did this practice.</p> <p>That said, being such a nefarious activity or purpose, I doubt Sears or the like would have documented such a practice. I’m inclined to believe that what is stated in Williamson’s book to be the scenario that is most likely true. </p> <p>Sincerely,</p> <p>Maverick</p> <p> </p> </blockquote> <p>I can’t argue the point. I don’t know who did the defacing or when. I have to read Williamson’s account. I believe that Madis said something about this. I’ll try to find this too. Does someone have a copy of the Madis letter?</p> <p> </p> <p>I just read Williamson’s account. Very well detailed. So there is no written proof but he says the guns were defaced by the Suppliers for Sears to hide the sources. It is my opinion Winchester through their tough practices brought this upon themselves. In fact Williamson goes on to show the changes in the laws prohibiting some of Winchester’s practices. If Winchester didn’t get their way they would buy them out. A practice that was going on for years. </p> <p>Now finding what Madis wrote. </p> </div></div><div style='clear: both;height:1px'></div></div></div><div class='spTopicPostSection spEven spType-Admin spRank-admin spUserPost' id='eachPost162787'><a id='p162787'></a><div class='spUserSection spLeft' id='spColTopic13107242136' style='min-height: 50px'><div class='spPlainSection'><div class='spPostUserAvatar spCenter'><img src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-avatars/1721007201Bert-Hartman-New-Photo.jpg' class='spAvatar' style='max-width: 50px' alt='Avatar' /></div><div id='spPostIndexUserName162787' class='spPostUserName spCenter'>Bert H.</div><div id='spPostIndexUserLocatin162787' class='spPostUserLocation spCenter'>Kingston, WA</div><div id='spPostIndexUserRank162787' class='spPostUserRank spCenter'><span class="spRank-admin">Admin </span></div><div id='spPostIndexUserPosts162787' class='spPostUserPosts spCenter'>Forum Posts: 12975</div><div id='spPostIndexUserRegistered162787' class='spPostUserRegistered spCenter'>Member Since:<br /> April 15, 2005</div><div id='spPostIndexUserStatus162787' class='spCenter spPostUserStatus'><span class='spPostUserStatusOffline'><img class='spIcon' src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-themes/reboot/images/lightpack/sp_UserOfflineSmall.png' alt='sp_UserOfflineSmall' /> Offline</span></div></div><div class='spCenter'></div></div><div class='spPostSection spRight' id='spColTopic21953161935' style='min-height: auto'><div class='spPostActionSection'><span id='spPostIndexNumber162787' class='spLabelBordered spLeft'>34</span><div id='spPostIndexUserDate162787' class='spPostUserDate spLeft'>April 18, 2025 - 10:32 pm</div><a class='spButton spLeft' id='spPostIndexPermalink162787' title='The post permalink' rel='nofollow' href='https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-rifles/flogging-the-wraco-stamp/page-2/#p162787'><img class='spIcon' src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-themes/reboot/images/sp_Permalink.png' alt='sp_Permalink' /> </a><a class='spButton spLeft spOpenDialog' id='spPostIndexPrint162787' title='Print this post' rel='nofollow' data-site='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-admin/admin-ajax.php?action=print&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwinchestercollector.org%2Fforum%2Fwinchester-rifles%2Fflogging-the-wraco-stamp%2F&id=20717&page=2&totalpages=3&index=34&_wpnonce=c791f2d8e5' data-label='Print Options' data-width='400' data-height='0' data-align='center'><img class='spIcon' src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-themes/reboot/images/sp_Print.png' alt='sp_Print' /> </a><a class='spButton spLeft spEditPostHistory' id='spPostIndexEditHistory162787' title='View edit history' rel='nofollow' data-html='<p>Edited by Bert H. on April 18, 2025 - 10:35 pm<br /></p>' data-label='View edit history' data-width='400' data-height='0' data-align='0'><img class='spIcon' src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-themes/reboot/images/sp_EditHistory.png' alt='sp_EditHistory' /> </a></div><div class='spPostContentSection'><div id='spPostIndexContent162787' class='spPostContent'><blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote"><p> <strong>sb said </strong></p> <blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote"><p> <strong>Bert H. said </strong></p> <blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote"><p> <strong>sb said </strong></p> <p>I doubt that Sears was doing the marking but if a third party was acquiring guns for Sears then it seems quite possible that the acquiring party might have been behind it.</p> <p>But, then Sears would have been shipping the defaced guns to customers. That seems unlikely to me.</p> <p> </p> </blockquote> <p>I doubt that Sears actually shipped many of the guns that they sold. Most of them were most likely local sales out of the Chicago store front. The customers buying the guns most likely could care less about the WRACO marking, as they were buying the gun for substantially less $$ than what it would have cost them to but the same gun elsewhere.</p> <p>Bert</p> <p> </p> </blockquote> <p>I don’t know about the quantity shipped as the Sears catalog sales were enormous and many rural areas prcatically lived out of the catalog. Good point about the pricing. Thinking about it, I doubt a customer would care especially if they were saving a substantial amount. In fact, most probably didn’t notice or just assumed it was a Winchester mark. </p> <p> </p> </blockquote> <p>In the late 1890s, Sears & Roebuck were not yet a “catalog” business per se. Based on the limited information I have found, they opened their business and store in 1892, and in 1906 they began their mail order business.</p> <p><strong>Sears, Roebuck and Co.</strong>, commonly known as <strong>Sears</strong> (<span class="rt-commentedText nowrap"><span class="IPA nopopups noexcerpt" lang="en-fonipa"><a title="Help:IPA/English" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/English" target="_blank">/<span title="'s' in 'sigh'">s</span><span title="/ɪər/: 'ear' in 'near'">ɪər</span><span title="'z' in 'zoom'">z</span>/</a></span></span> <a title="Help:Pronunciation respelling key" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Pronunciation_respelling_key" target="_blank"><em>SEERZ</em></a>),<sup class="reference"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sears#cite_note-6" target="_blank"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>6<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> is an American chain of <a title="Department store" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_store" target="_blank">department stores</a> founded in 1892 by <a title="Richard Warren Sears" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Warren_Sears" target="_blank">Richard Warren Sears</a> and <a title="Alvah Curtis Roebuck" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alvah_Curtis_Roebuck" target="_blank">Alvah Curtis Roebuck</a> and reincorporated in 1906 by Richard Sears and <a title="Julius Rosenwald" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Rosenwald" target="_blank">Julius Rosenwald</a>, with what began as a <a title="Mail order" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail_order" target="_blank">mail-order</a> catalog company migrating to opening retail locations in 1925, the first in <a title="Chicago" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago" target="_blank">Chicago</a>.</p> <p>Bert</p> </div></div><div id='spPostIndexUserFlexSignature162787' class='spPostUserSignature'><p>WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L<br /> <img title="High-walls-1-002-C-reduced2.jpg" alt="High-walls-1-002-C-reduced2.jpg" src="http://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/bert-h/2014/10/High-walls-1-002-C-reduced2.jpg" width="477" height="192" /></p> </div><div style='clear: both;height:1px'></div></div></div><div class='spTopicPostSection spOdd spType-User spRank-member spUsergroup-waca-member spUserPost' id='eachPost162790'><a id='p162790'></a><div class='spUserSection spLeft' id='spColTopic1829417843' style='min-height: 50px'><div class='spPlainSection'><div class='spPostUserAvatar spCenter'><img src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-avatars/defaults/userdefault.png' class='spAvatar' style='max-width: 50px' alt='Avatar' /></div><div id='spPostIndexUserName162790' class='spPostUserName spCenter'>sb</div><div id='spPostIndexUserRank162790' class='spPostUserRank spCenter'><span class="spRank-member">Member</span></div><div id='spPostIndexUserMemberships162790' class='spPostUserMemberships spCenter'><span class="spUserGroup-waca-member">WACA Member</span><br /></div><div id='spPostIndexUserPosts162790' class='spPostUserPosts spCenter'>Forum Posts: 471</div><div id='spPostIndexUserRegistered162790' class='spPostUserRegistered spCenter'>Member Since:<br /> November 8, 2011</div><div id='spPostIndexUserStatus162790' class='spCenter spPostUserStatus'><span class='spPostUserStatusOffline'><img class='spIcon' src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-themes/reboot/images/lightpack/sp_UserOfflineSmall.png' alt='sp_UserOfflineSmall' /> Offline</span></div></div><div class='spCenter'></div></div><div class='spPostSection spRight' id='spColTopic2802081643' style='min-height: auto'><div class='spPostActionSection'><span id='spPostIndexNumber162790' class='spLabelBordered spLeft'>35</span><div id='spPostIndexUserDate162790' class='spPostUserDate spLeft'>April 18, 2025 - 11:03 pm</div><a class='spButton spLeft' id='spPostIndexPermalink162790' title='The post permalink' rel='nofollow' href='https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-rifles/flogging-the-wraco-stamp/page-2/#p162790'><img class='spIcon' src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-themes/reboot/images/sp_Permalink.png' alt='sp_Permalink' /> </a><a class='spButton spLeft spOpenDialog' id='spPostIndexPrint162790' title='Print this post' rel='nofollow' data-site='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-admin/admin-ajax.php?action=print&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwinchestercollector.org%2Fforum%2Fwinchester-rifles%2Fflogging-the-wraco-stamp%2F&id=20717&page=2&totalpages=3&index=35&_wpnonce=c791f2d8e5' data-label='Print Options' data-width='400' data-height='0' data-align='center'><img class='spIcon' src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-themes/reboot/images/sp_Print.png' alt='sp_Print' /> </a></div><div class='spPostContentSection'><div id='spPostIndexContent162790' class='spPostContent'><p>By 1894, the Sears catalog had grown to 322 pages, including many new items, such as sewing machines, bicycles, sporting goods and <a class="mw-redirect" title="Automobile" href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile" target="_blank">automobiles</a> (later produced, from 1905 to 1915, by <a title="Lincoln Motor Car Works" href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_Motor_Car_Works" target="_blank">Lincoln Motor Car Works</a> of Chicago [no relation to the current <a class="mw-redirect" title="Lincoln (automobile)" href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_(automobile)" target="_blank">Ford line</a>]).<sup class="reference"><a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sears#cite_note-19" target="_blank"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>19<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> By 1895, the company was producing a 532-page catalog. Sales were over $400,000 ($12 million in 2021 dollars) in 1893 and over $750,000 ($20 million in 2021 dollars) two years later.<sup class="reference"><a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sears#cite_note-20" target="_blank"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>20<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> By 1896, dolls, stoves, and groceries were added to the catalog</p> </div></div><div style='clear: both;height:1px'></div></div></div><div class='spTopicPostSection spEven spType-Admin spRank-admin spUserPost' id='eachPost162791'><a id='p162791'></a><div class='spUserSection spLeft' id='spColTopic11009247519' style='min-height: 50px'><div class='spPlainSection'><div class='spPostUserAvatar spCenter'><img src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-avatars/1721007201Bert-Hartman-New-Photo.jpg' class='spAvatar' style='max-width: 50px' alt='Avatar' /></div><div id='spPostIndexUserName162791' class='spPostUserName spCenter'>Bert H.</div><div id='spPostIndexUserLocatin162791' class='spPostUserLocation spCenter'>Kingston, WA</div><div id='spPostIndexUserRank162791' class='spPostUserRank spCenter'><span class="spRank-admin">Admin </span></div><div id='spPostIndexUserPosts162791' class='spPostUserPosts spCenter'>Forum Posts: 12975</div><div id='spPostIndexUserRegistered162791' class='spPostUserRegistered spCenter'>Member Since:<br /> April 15, 2005</div><div id='spPostIndexUserStatus162791' class='spCenter spPostUserStatus'><span class='spPostUserStatusOffline'><img class='spIcon' src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-themes/reboot/images/lightpack/sp_UserOfflineSmall.png' alt='sp_UserOfflineSmall' /> Offline</span></div></div><div class='spCenter'></div></div><div class='spPostSection spRight' id='spColTopic21931252686' style='min-height: auto'><div class='spPostActionSection'><span id='spPostIndexNumber162791' class='spLabelBordered spLeft'>36</span><div id='spPostIndexUserDate162791' class='spPostUserDate spLeft'>April 18, 2025 - 11:04 pm</div><a class='spButton spLeft' id='spPostIndexPermalink162791' title='The post permalink' rel='nofollow' href='https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-rifles/flogging-the-wraco-stamp/page-2/#p162791'><img class='spIcon' src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-themes/reboot/images/sp_Permalink.png' alt='sp_Permalink' /> </a><a class='spButton spLeft spOpenDialog' id='spPostIndexPrint162791' title='Print this post' rel='nofollow' data-site='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-admin/admin-ajax.php?action=print&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwinchestercollector.org%2Fforum%2Fwinchester-rifles%2Fflogging-the-wraco-stamp%2F&id=20717&page=2&totalpages=3&index=36&_wpnonce=c791f2d8e5' data-label='Print Options' data-width='400' data-height='0' data-align='center'><img class='spIcon' src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-themes/reboot/images/sp_Print.png' alt='sp_Print' /> </a></div><div class='spPostContentSection'><div id='spPostIndexContent162791' class='spPostContent'><blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote"><p><strong>sb said </strong><br /> By 1894, the Sears catalog had grown to 322 pages, including many new items, such as sewing machines, bicycles, sporting goods and <a class="mw-redirect" title="Automobile" href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile" target="_blank">automobiles</a> (later produced, from 1905 to 1915, by <a title="Lincoln Motor Car Works" href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_Motor_Car_Works" target="_blank">Lincoln Motor Car Works</a> of Chicago [no relation to the current <a class="mw-redirect" title="Lincoln (automobile)" href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_(automobile)" target="_blank">Ford line</a>]).<sup class="reference"><a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sears#cite_note-19" target="_blank"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>19<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> By 1895, the company was producing a 532-page catalog. Sales were over $400,000 ($12 million in 2021 dollars) in 1893 and over $750,000 ($20 million in 2021 dollars) two years later.<sup class="reference"><a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sears#cite_note-20" target="_blank"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>20<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> By 1896, dolls, stoves, and groceries were added to the catalog</p> <p> </p></blockquote> <p>Thanks for the added information!</p> </div></div><div id='spPostIndexUserFlexSignature162791' class='spPostUserSignature'><p>WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L<br /> <img title="High-walls-1-002-C-reduced2.jpg" alt="High-walls-1-002-C-reduced2.jpg" src="http://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/bert-h/2014/10/High-walls-1-002-C-reduced2.jpg" width="477" height="192" /></p> </div><div style='clear: both;height:1px'></div></div></div><div class='spTopicPostSection spOdd spType-User spRank-member spUsergroup-waca-member spUserPost spAuthorPost' id='eachPost162805'><a id='p162805'></a><div class='spUserSection spLeft' id='spColTopic13628549172' style='min-height: 50px'><div class='spPlainSection'><div class='spPostUserAvatar spCenter'><img src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-avatars/1416868161Avatar.jpg' class='spAvatar' style='max-width: 50px' alt='Avatar' /></div><div id='spPostIndexUserName162805' class='spPostUserName spCenter'>twobit</div><div id='spPostIndexUserRank162805' class='spPostUserRank spCenter'><span class="spRank-member">Member </span></div><div id='spPostIndexUserMemberships162805' class='spPostUserMemberships spCenter'><span class="spUserGroup-waca-member">WACA Member</span><br /></div><div id='spPostIndexUserPosts162805' class='spPostUserPosts spCenter'>Forum Posts: 2504</div><div id='spPostIndexUserRegistered162805' class='spPostUserRegistered spCenter'>Member Since:<br /> March 20, 2009</div><div id='spPostIndexUserStatus162805' class='spCenter spPostUserStatus'><span class='spPostUserStatusOffline'><img class='spIcon' src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-themes/reboot/images/lightpack/sp_UserOfflineSmall.png' alt='sp_UserOfflineSmall' /> Offline</span></div></div><div class='spCenter'></div></div><div class='spPostSection spRight' id='spColTopic21134351709' style='min-height: auto'><div class='spPostActionSection'><span id='spPostIndexNumber162805' class='spLabelBordered spLeft'>37</span><div id='spPostIndexUserDate162805' class='spPostUserDate spLeft'>April 19, 2025 - 3:24 am</div><a class='spButton spLeft' id='spPostIndexPermalink162805' title='The post permalink' rel='nofollow' href='https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-rifles/flogging-the-wraco-stamp/page-2/#p162805'><img class='spIcon' src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-themes/reboot/images/sp_Permalink.png' alt='sp_Permalink' /> </a><a class='spButton spLeft spOpenDialog' id='spPostIndexPrint162805' title='Print this post' rel='nofollow' data-site='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-admin/admin-ajax.php?action=print&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwinchestercollector.org%2Fforum%2Fwinchester-rifles%2Fflogging-the-wraco-stamp%2F&id=20717&page=2&totalpages=3&index=37&_wpnonce=c791f2d8e5' data-label='Print Options' data-width='400' data-height='0' data-align='center'><img class='spIcon' src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-themes/reboot/images/sp_Print.png' alt='sp_Print' /> </a><a class='spButton spLeft spEditPostHistory' id='spPostIndexEditHistory162805' title='View edit history' rel='nofollow' data-html='<p>Edited by twobit on April 19, 2025 - 12:28 pm<br /></p>' data-label='View edit history' data-width='400' data-height='0' data-align='0'><img class='spIcon' src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-themes/reboot/images/sp_EditHistory.png' alt='sp_EditHistory' /> </a></div><div class='spPostContentSection'><div id='spPostIndexContent162805' class='spPostContent'><blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote"><p> <strong>sb said </strong><br /> By 1894, the Sears catalog had grown to 322 pages, including many new items, such as sewing machines, bicycles, sporting goods and <a class="mw-redirect" title="Automobile" href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile" target="_blank">automobiles</a> (later produced, from 1905 to 1915, by <a title="Lincoln Motor Car Works" href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_Motor_Car_Works" target="_blank">Lincoln Motor Car Works</a> of Chicago [no relation to the current <a class="mw-redirect" title="Lincoln (automobile)" href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_(automobile)" target="_blank">Ford line</a>]).<sup class="reference"><a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sears#cite_note-19" target="_blank"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>19<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> By 1895, the company was producing a 532-page catalog. Sales were over $400,000 ($12 million in 2021 dollars) in 1893 and over $750,000 ($20 million in 2021 dollars) two years later.<sup class="reference"><a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sears#cite_note-20" target="_blank"><span class="cite-bracket">[</span>20<span class="cite-bracket">]</span></a></sup> By 1896, dolls, stoves, and groceries were added to the catalog</p> <p> </p> </blockquote> <p>Here is a link to the 1902 catalog from which I posted the advertisement for the Winchester rifles in the initial post of this thread. If you look in the upper corners of the pages the Winchesters on on pages 301 and 302. There are at least 938 pages in the catalog with pretty much anything that you could ever want/need. </p> <p><a href="https://archive.org/details/sears-roebuck-catalog-112-t-fall-1902-tools/page/n291/mode/2up" target="_blank">https://archive.org/details/sears-roebuck-catalog-112-t-fall-1902-tools/page/n291/mode/2up</a></p> <p>Michael</p> </div></div><div id='spPostIndexUserFlexSignature162805' class='spPostUserSignature'><p><img data-upload="1" data-width="448" data-height="299" title="Signature-Pic.jpg" alt="Signature-Pic.jpg" src="http://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-image-uploads/twobit/2017/01/Signature-Pic.jpg" width="100" height="66" /></p> <p> </p> <p>Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation</p> </div><div style='clear: both;height:1px'></div></div></div><div class='spTopicPostSection spEven spType-User spRank-member spUsergroup-waca-member spUserPost' id='eachPost162828'><a id='p162828'></a><div class='spUserSection spLeft' id='spColTopic12589052871' style='min-height: 50px'><div class='spPlainSection'><div class='spPostUserAvatar spCenter'><img src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-avatars/defaults/userdefault.png' class='spAvatar' style='max-width: 50px' alt='Avatar' /></div><div id='spPostIndexUserName162828' class='spPostUserName spCenter'>steve004</div><div id='spPostIndexUserRank162828' class='spPostUserRank spCenter'><span class="spRank-member">Member </span></div><div id='spPostIndexUserMemberships162828' class='spPostUserMemberships spCenter'><span class="spUserGroup-waca-member">WACA Member</span><br /></div><div id='spPostIndexUserPosts162828' class='spPostUserPosts spCenter'>Forum Posts: 5209</div><div id='spPostIndexUserRegistered162828' class='spPostUserRegistered spCenter'>Member Since:<br /> November 19, 2006</div><div id='spPostIndexUserStatus162828' class='spCenter spPostUserStatus'><span class='spPostUserStatusOffline'><img class='spIcon' src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-themes/reboot/images/lightpack/sp_UserOfflineSmall.png' alt='sp_UserOfflineSmall' /> Offline</span></div></div><div class='spCenter'></div></div><div class='spPostSection spRight' id='spColTopic21670804489' style='min-height: auto'><div class='spPostActionSection'><span id='spPostIndexNumber162828' class='spLabelBordered spLeft'>38</span><div id='spPostIndexUserDate162828' class='spPostUserDate spLeft'>April 19, 2025 - 2:44 pm</div><a class='spButton spLeft' id='spPostIndexPermalink162828' title='The post permalink' rel='nofollow' href='https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-rifles/flogging-the-wraco-stamp/page-2/#p162828'><img class='spIcon' src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-themes/reboot/images/sp_Permalink.png' alt='sp_Permalink' /> </a><a class='spButton spLeft spOpenDialog' id='spPostIndexPrint162828' title='Print this post' rel='nofollow' data-site='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-admin/admin-ajax.php?action=print&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwinchestercollector.org%2Fforum%2Fwinchester-rifles%2Fflogging-the-wraco-stamp%2F&id=20717&page=2&totalpages=3&index=38&_wpnonce=c791f2d8e5' data-label='Print Options' data-width='400' data-height='0' data-align='center'><img class='spIcon' src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-themes/reboot/images/sp_Print.png' alt='sp_Print' /> </a></div><div class='spPostContentSection'><div id='spPostIndexContent162828' class='spPostContent'><blockquote class="spPostEmbedQuote"><p><strong>Bert H. said </strong><br /> If you do not have a copy of Harold’s fine book, I highly recommend buying a copy. At one time I had three copies of it, but I gave two of them away.</p> <p>Fortunately, the price tag for a copy is still very reasonable – <a href="<iframe title="Winchester the Gun That Won the West" width="550" height="550" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen src="https://read.amazon.com/kp/card?preview=inline&linkCode=kpd&ref_=k4w_oembed_LgtklrDB1KfLEX&asin=0498083152&tag=kpembed-20">“>Winchester the Gun That Won the West: Harold F Williamson: 9780498083150: Amazon.com: Books</a></p> <p>Bert</p> <p> </p> <p>p.s. If needed, I can still dig through the tome to find the information you are seeing, but it is a rather large book.</p> <p> </p></blockquote> <p>I ordered Harold’s book about two years ago. There is a tremendous amount of reading to be had in that book. That’s because a great deal happened at Winchester over the many years. Harold did a great job of detailing the progression of what happened. It is fascinating but it’s a lot to take in. 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3:14 pm</div><a class='spButton spLeft' id='spPostIndexPermalink162832' title='The post permalink' rel='nofollow' href='https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-rifles/flogging-the-wraco-stamp/page-2/#p162832'><img class='spIcon' src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-themes/reboot/images/sp_Permalink.png' alt='sp_Permalink' /> </a><a class='spButton spLeft spOpenDialog' id='spPostIndexPrint162832' title='Print this post' rel='nofollow' data-site='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-admin/admin-ajax.php?action=print&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwinchestercollector.org%2Fforum%2Fwinchester-rifles%2Fflogging-the-wraco-stamp%2F&id=20717&page=2&totalpages=3&index=39&_wpnonce=c791f2d8e5' data-label='Print Options' data-width='400' data-height='0' data-align='center'><img class='spIcon' src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-themes/reboot/images/sp_Print.png' alt='sp_Print' /> </a></div><div class='spPostContentSection'><div id='spPostIndexContent162832' class='spPostContent'><p>Steve, put me onto this book a little while ago, and I agree with him, and the other members who recommended it, as it’s a lot to take in, but very informative, and helpful, in understanding the way things happened years ago, and why many thing we’re done in regards to the Winchester History!</p> <p> </p> <p>Anthony</p> </div></div><div style='clear: both;height:1px'></div></div></div><div class='spTopicPostSection spEven spType-User spRank-member spUsergroup-waca-member spUserPost' id='eachPost162839'><a id='p162839'></a><div class='spUserSection spLeft' id='spColTopic13729613461' style='min-height: 50px'><div class='spPlainSection'><div class='spPostUserAvatar spCenter'><img src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-avatars/1412271075Maverick_-_Title_Card.jpg' class='spAvatar' style='max-width: 50px' alt='Avatar' /></div><div id='spPostIndexUserName162839' class='spPostUserName spCenter'>Maverick</div><div id='spPostIndexUserRank162839' class='spPostUserRank spCenter'><span class="spRank-member">Member </span></div><div id='spPostIndexUserMemberships162839' class='spPostUserMemberships spCenter'><span class="spUserGroup-waca-member">WACA Member</span><br /></div><div id='spPostIndexUserPosts162839' class='spPostUserPosts spCenter'>Forum Posts: 2042</div><div id='spPostIndexUserRegistered162839' class='spPostUserRegistered spCenter'>Member Since:<br /> May 23, 2009</div><div id='spPostIndexUserStatus162839' class='spCenter spPostUserStatus'><span class='spPostUserStatusOffline'><img class='spIcon' src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-themes/reboot/images/lightpack/sp_UserOfflineSmall.png' alt='sp_UserOfflineSmall' /> Offline</span></div></div><div class='spCenter'></div></div><div class='spPostSection spRight' id='spColTopic2566075841' style='min-height: auto'><div class='spPostActionSection'><span id='spPostIndexNumber162839' class='spLabelBordered spLeft'>40</span><div id='spPostIndexUserDate162839' class='spPostUserDate spLeft'>April 19, 2025 - 6:08 pm</div><a class='spButton spLeft' id='spPostIndexPermalink162839' title='The post permalink' rel='nofollow' href='https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-rifles/flogging-the-wraco-stamp/page-2/#p162839'><img class='spIcon' src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-themes/reboot/images/sp_Permalink.png' alt='sp_Permalink' /> </a><a class='spButton spLeft spOpenDialog' id='spPostIndexPrint162839' title='Print this post' rel='nofollow' data-site='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-admin/admin-ajax.php?action=print&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwinchestercollector.org%2Fforum%2Fwinchester-rifles%2Fflogging-the-wraco-stamp%2F&id=20717&page=2&totalpages=3&index=40&_wpnonce=c791f2d8e5' data-label='Print Options' data-width='400' data-height='0' data-align='center'><img class='spIcon' src='https://winchestercollector.org/wp-content/sp-resources/forum-themes/reboot/images/sp_Print.png' alt='sp_Print' /> </a></div><div class='spPostContentSection'><div id='spPostIndexContent162839' class='spPostContent'><p>Yeah a lot of people don’t know that Williamson wrote the book with heavy cooperation from Winchester “Olin” and that there were some aspects about the company the board asked him to omit from his book. Apparently another author was involved in writing the history of Winchester, but his manuscript/book deal fell apart and was never published. Williamson had access to a lot of information and records that likely may not exist any more. 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