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 Here is my latest challenge.  I have a 1892, 44, 5 digit serial number, but there is no clear reading of the 5 numbers.  I have consulted with the Museum, sent photos, but no luck.  I know that there is a metallurgical way to ‘see’ the depressions, but dont’ know who to contact to have it done.  Can anyone give me some guidance?  It is a nice rifle, and would like to have the Win Letter, but need to decern the SS#.  thanks, Elliot

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Elliot,

Post a clear close-up picture of the serial number… cameras are often great tools in seeing hidden details.

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Elliot,

To lift a stamped number they would have to polish the area around the number so it has contrast. This is what it would look like.

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Most digital cameras and computer photo software programs have black and white, reverse (negative) options, as well as different color contrast options (red and white, instead of black and white, etc.).  I’m not saying it will work in your case, but it might be worth a try.  Take some good, clear photos in different lighting from different angles, flash, etc. and then play with it.  Good luck.  Might try with oil and with out, cold vs warm.

One other thought, if it doesn’t create a moisture problem, you could try spraying the area with one of those cans of compressed air used to blow out computers etc.  They can create a “frost” that might bring something to light.

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DSC_2265.JPGImage EnlargerDSC_2266.JPGImage EnlargerDSC_2267.JPGImage EnlargerDSC_2268.JPGImage EnlargerDSC_2269.JPGImage EnlargerDSC_2270.JPGImage EnlargerDSC_2271.JPGImage EnlargerGentlemen, all, thanks for the help.  I have enlcosed some pics, if needed I can try and take some more, let me know, Elliot

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Hi Elliot A:  I can’t see any pictures.  Don’t know if it’s me, or what.

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Operator error, now they are there, thanks, Elliot

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It appears to be 96951 you could try placing a magnet inside an use a fine metal powder on the numbers it may show the grain of the metal displaced by stamping

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you could polish it and use an etching acid it would be a little aggressive as it would change the original finish

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Elliot,

I see the number as 96951

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I agree with 1873man.  The “one” looks like the “inverted one” with the top flag broken off like I read about on some of the 1894s.  And the numbers are widely spaced, to my eye.  But maybe that was par for the course on that type of gun.  Cool, thanks for putting them up.

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Elliot A, I ran your photos through some photo software programs.

I came up with S/N 98951 which would put the 92 manufacture date

in 1898.  This is my best guess.  Not 100%, but a good guess.

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I see the number as 96951

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I see 96951 also, not sure how Don is seeing 98951 as the second digit looks like a “6” to me no matter what software I tweak it with.

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Elliot A said
 Here is my latest challenge.  I have a 1892, 44, 5 digit serial number, but there is no clear reading of the 5 numbers.  I have consulted with the Museum, sent photos, but no luck.  I know that there is a metallurgical way to ‘see’ the depressions, but dont’ know who to contact to have it done.  Can anyone give me some guidance?  It is a nice rifle, and would like to have the Win Letter, but need to decern the SS#.  thanks, Elliot  

Hello Elliot,

Is there any inscription on the frame of the rifle?  I assume that this is a SRC?

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Gentlemen, the Cody staff couldn’t get it either, the ones we thought were not 44s.  The previous owner thought it was 93951.  Here is the pics of the inscription, ‘button’ half mag, round 24″ barrel.  If we could only id even three of he five for sure, it would help, but there is debate on them all.  thanks, ElliotDSC_2469.JPGImage EnlargerDSC_2472.JPGImage EnlargerDSC_2470.JPGImage Enlarger

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Maybe it wasn’t always a 44.  Looks like that 44 was stamped over something and the depth is so much different from the WCF.  Just guessing.

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I can see a old 4 under the new 44.

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Sn 96951 and 98951 are both carbines so that is not correct.

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Elliot,

Can you post a overall picture of the gun?

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This is getting stranger and stranger.  If you look closely, there seems to be a ghost image just to the right of the second ‘4’.  However, I looked at it through a magnifying glass and there was no sign of any other image forward of that spot.  As you can see the wear and patina seem to be very consistant thoughout.  There is no sign of any tool marks on the barrel or reciever that would be consistent with a new barrel.  Here are a pic of each side.  thanks, ElliotDSC_2477.JPGImage EnlargerDSC_2478.JPGImage Enlarger

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