Chuck said
The good restorers have spent years copying (smoking) all the engraved guns they could get their hands on so when the time came when they needed one they have a template to copy.
Maybe so. But if a template was used to create the Amoskeag rifle, it was only done very loosely or the engraver lacked the prerequisite skills to even present an example that could remotely pass for original.
I have been keeping tabs on this since the start. Now I thoroughly enjoy collecting Winchesters and continue to learn from better folks than myself every day about this affliction I have, BUT I will never consider myself a pro. So I would like to ask some questions about this rifle along with a couple comments. I went to see this gun in person but unfortunately it was headed to Tulsa when I went, so never saw it. But I have to believe it was put on display there for many to see. Now I understand peoples reservation of the legitimacy of the engraving as I too feel the engraved animals are “cartoon like”, but I think I have seen some of that look before, cant place it though. So why didn’t it get scrutinized heavily there? So now my questions.
1. Is it possible this gun was sold “in the white” to be retailer engraved for a special person? I believe Colt did this from time to time.
2. If this gun was engraved after it left the factory then it had to have been re-blued as the engraving is filled and appears to be of the same color as the gun, of which it appears to be a factory finish, anyone disagree?
3.Does anyone dispute the checkering, it appears consistent of a gun of this vintage and type.
So in closing I would say that if this gun was in fact set in storage for several decades, as that is completely likely, then I would have to say that Perry was totally duped himself. If the general consensus is that in fact it is not factory engraved, I have now learned that fakery has been going on longer than I have been alive (near 60).
oldcrankyyankee said If the general consensus is that in fact it is not factory engraved, I have now learned that fakery has been going on longer than I have been alive (near 60).
There’s really no “if” as to the engraving being non-factory. Who knows but that Perry was offered a deal too good to pass up, even considering the inferior engraving, or maybe it came as part of a package deal.
Faking rare Colts like Patersons & Walkers began in the ’40s, if not before.
mrcvs said
Chuck said
The good restorers have spent years copying (smoking) all the engraved guns they could get their hands on so when the time came when they needed one they have a template to copy.
Maybe so. But if a template was used to create the Amoskeag rifle, it was only done very loosely or the engraver lacked the prerequisite skills to even present an example that could remotely pass for original.
The same good restorers have a good engraver. It really makes it hard to tell sometimes. My point was whoever did or had this done didn’t use a good guy.
Hate to bring up this old poo again, But I was just looking thru the Amoskeag listings of this auction as I was noticing that several of the guns sold were popping up at some ” astute dealers” web sales, and noticed the gun apparently never actually sold. Maybe we will be seeing this one again? Btw I did look up one that was sold at RIA last year and it has the same spindly stick antlers only backwards and the same creepy eyes.
oldcrankyyankee said
Hate to bring up this old poo again, But I was just looking thru the Amoskeag listings of this auction as I was noticing that several of the guns sold were popping up at some ” astute dealers” web sales, and noticed the gun apparently never actually sold. Maybe we will be seeing this one again? Btw I did look up one that was sold at RIA last year and it has the same spindly stick antlers only backwards and the same creepy eyes.
Do you mean the rifles were passed over at the auction, or they did hammer as sold? If after the auction, the guns showed up in dealer’s catalog, I would assume they purchased them from the auction house?
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