Avatar
Please consider registering
Guest
Search
Forum Scope




Match



Forum Options



Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters
Register Lost password?
sp_Feed sp_PrintTopic sp_TopicIcon
Early Model 64's
sp_NewTopic Add Topic
Avatar
KenB
Guest
Guests
1
April 2, 2017 - 3:20 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost
sp_ReportPost

I have seen a number of early model 64’s (with tang markings) drilled for both tang & receiver sights.  Is this correct from the factory?  

Avatar
Kingston, WA
Admin
Forum Posts: 12735
Member Since:
April 15, 2005
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
2
April 2, 2017 - 4:08 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost
sp_ReportPost

Ken,

Yes it is correct… and they also have a dovetail milled for a traditional 22-series rear sight.

The really crazy Model 64 rifles (at least to me), are the pre WW II production 219 Zippers… the barrels were milled for a 22-series rear sight, they have a milled bolt with a No. 98A bolt peep installed, the upper tang was drilled & tapped for a tang sight, and the receiver frame was drilled & tapped for a Lyman No. 48. Winchester could have saved a lot of time and expense by eliminating all milling operations except for the bolt peep.

Bert

WACA 6571L, Historian & Board of Director Member
High-walls-1-002-C-reduced2.jpg

Avatar
KenB
Guest
Guests
3
April 2, 2017 - 4:44 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost
sp_ReportPost

Thanks.  I like 94’s & recently started looking at 55’s & 64’s.  In the past I avoided 94’s that were both tang & receiver drilled, now I know the 64’s are different.  Can I also assume Winchester also drilled the 65’s the same way as the 64’s? 

Avatar
Kingston, WA
Admin
Forum Posts: 12735
Member Since:
April 15, 2005
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
4
April 3, 2017 - 12:46 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost
sp_ReportPost

Ken,

No, you should not make that assumption. The Model 65 rifles were not factory drilled & tapped for a receiver mounted peep sight unless specifically ordered, and it was very rarely ordered.

Bert

WACA 6571L, Historian & Board of Director Member
High-walls-1-002-C-reduced2.jpg

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 1765
Member Since:
December 31, 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
5
April 3, 2017 - 1:13 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost
sp_ReportPost

KenB said
I have seen a number of early model 64’s (with tang markings) drilled for both tang & receiver sights.  Is this correct from the factory?    

In my collection, I have near mint pre WW2 M64, # 1117360, PR date of 11-02-36. Has all the aforementioned markings and is drilled and tapped on the tang and receiver. It also has the standard thin, non beavertail forearm. I am quite sure this rifle has never been messed with. Big Larry

Avatar
Member
WACA Guest
Forum Posts: 317
Member Since:
November 17, 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
6
April 3, 2017 - 11:24 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost
sp_ReportPost

The reason that the Model 64 Zipper had the extra receiver, tang holes and barrel dovetail is that in a volume manufacturing environment it is easier to just do everything the same way. So eliminating some operations to save time and effort could cause more work that just doing it.

Avatar
Kingston, WA
Admin
Forum Posts: 12735
Member Since:
April 15, 2005
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
7
April 3, 2017 - 5:41 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost
sp_ReportPost

CJS57 said
The reason that the Model 64 Zipper had the extra receiver, tang holes and barrel dovetail is that in a volume manufacturing environment it is easier to just do everything the same way. So eliminating some operations to save time and effort could cause more work that just doing it.  

For the Model 64, it was a added step to drill & tap the receiver, as Winchester was not doing it for the Model 94 receivers in the exact same serial number range.  In my survey of the Model 64, there were a fair number of the 219 Zippers that Winchester did not drill & tap for a receiver sight, but the majority of them were.  Additionally, Winchester made an unknown number of 219 Zipper Carbines, with 22-inch barrels.  I have surveyed (5) of them thus far, and one of the distinguishing features (in addition to the 22-inch barrel length), was the lack of a rear sight dovetail slot milled into the barrel.  My point is that Winchester did eliminate production steps/features for the Model 64 219 Zippers, but was not consistent in doing so.

Bert

WACA 6571L, Historian & Board of Director Member
High-walls-1-002-C-reduced2.jpg

Forum Timezone: UTC 0
Most Users Ever Online: 628
Currently Online: wally, Dons385
Guest(s) 87
Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)
Top Posters:
1873man: 5185
clarence: 4321
TXGunNut: 3904
Chuck: 3524
steve004: 3117
twobit: 2846
Maverick: 2019
JWA: 1828
Big Larry: 1765
Forum Stats:
Groups: 1
Forums: 16
Topics: 10429
Posts: 89898

 

Member Stats:
Guest Posters: 1433
Members: 11521
Moderators: 3
Admins: 3
Navigation