Avatar
Search
Forum Scope




Match



Forum Options



Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters
Lost password?
sp_Feed sp_PrintTopic sp_TopicIcon
Deluxe scoped M43 .22 Hornet coming up for auction
sp_NewTopic Add Topic
Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 4404
Member Since:
November 19, 2006
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
1
August 20, 2022 - 7:45 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

I’ve never owned a M43.  Don’t really know much about them.  This struck me as a nice looking piece.  What do those who know more about these think?

https://www.proxibid.com/WINCHESTER-MODEL-43-DELUXE-22-HORNET/lotInformation/70854391

Avatar
Kingston, WA
Admin
Forum Posts: 11105
Member Since:
April 15, 2005
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
2
August 20, 2022 - 10:28 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_EditHistory sp_QuotePost

Steve,

It is an early production 22 Hornet, and a relatively early production Model 43 Special (January 1949).  I note that it has the early production straight bolt (versus a swept bolt).  The only thing that I see that is not correct is the rear frame ring has been D&T for the scope mount.  That stated, it is a period style mount and scope, and Winchester should have drilled & tapped the Model 43 from day one of production.  I would give it a go and see if you can get it for < $1,000.  You just cannot go wrong with a 22 Hornet!!

Bert

WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
High-walls-1-002-C-reduced2.jpg

Avatar
NY
Member
WACA Guest
Forum Posts: 6651
Member Since:
November 1, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
3
August 20, 2022 - 11:43 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Bert H. said
The only thing that I see that is not correct is the rear frame ring has been D&T for the scope mount.  That stated, it is a period style mount and scope, and Winchester should have drilled & tapped the Model 43 from day one of production. 

  

I’d say “well done” to whoever had the good sense to correct this factory mistake!  A Hornet with iron-sights only is about as useful as tits on a boar hog.

First scoped .22 I ever owned was a J. C. Higgins with that same (rebranded) Weaver scope. 

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 609
Member Since:
February 17, 2022
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
4
August 22, 2022 - 10:52 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

At some point did Winchester stop putting front sights on this model? just looked at one that only has a rear dovetail, no sight. and nothinng for the front. no scope either.

Avatar
NY
Member
WACA Guest
Forum Posts: 6651
Member Since:
November 1, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
5
August 22, 2022 - 11:37 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

oldcrankyyankee said
At some point did Winchester stop putting front sights on this model? just looked at one that only has a rear dovetail, no sight. and nothinng for the front. no scope either.

  

Is the brl. 24″ as it should be?

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 609
Member Since:
February 17, 2022
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
6
August 22, 2022 - 3:04 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

clarence said

oldcrankyyankee said

At some point did Winchester stop putting front sights on this model? just looked at one that only has a rear dovetail, no sight. and nothinng for the front. no scope either.

  

Is the brl. 24″ as it should be?

  

yes. serial number is 61658

Avatar
Kingston, WA
Admin
Forum Posts: 11105
Member Since:
April 15, 2005
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
7
August 22, 2022 - 6:38 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

All Model 43 rifles manufactured after 1950 were equipped with the provision for barrel mounted sights. That stated, if somebody really wanted one without sights, I suspect that Winchester would have accommodated them. Which Lot # is it in the Amoskeag auction #135?

Bert

WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
High-walls-1-002-C-reduced2.jpg

Avatar
NY
Member
WACA Guest
Forum Posts: 6651
Member Since:
November 1, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
8
August 22, 2022 - 7:56 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Bert H. said
All Model 43 rifles manufactured after 1950 were equipped with the provision for barrel mounted sights. That stated, if somebody really wanted one without sights, I suspect that Winchester would have accommodated them.

  

An oddball special order like that wouldn’t be any great surprise before WW II, but it’s surprising it could be arranged as late as the ’50s.  And if no front sight, why the rear sight slot?  (Although the Miroku 52 repros were D&T for a rcvr sight, but likewise had no provision for a front sight.)

Avatar
Kingston, WA
Admin
Forum Posts: 11105
Member Since:
April 15, 2005
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
9
August 22, 2022 - 9:33 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Here is the auction listing for the sightless M43 rifle…

Winchester Model 43 Bolt Action Rifle (amoskeagauction.com)

Based on the description of the barrel and the auction picture, I am of the belief (opinion) that it was special ordered without a provision for a front sight.  Being that it is a very late production rifle (end of October 1953), and by that time Winchester had made the change from integral front sight bases to silver soldered sight bases, it seems logical that it was special ordered without the sight base installed.

Bert

WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
High-walls-1-002-C-reduced2.jpg

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 4737
Member Since:
March 31, 2009
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
10
August 24, 2022 - 5:35 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_EditHistory sp_QuotePost

If I had ordered this gun I would have deleted the rear sight dovetail too. It is of no use when using a scope like Clarence said.

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 609
Member Since:
February 17, 2022
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
11
August 25, 2022 - 2:37 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Chuck said
If I had ordered this gun I would have deleted the rear sight dovetail too. It is of no use when using a scope like Clarence said.

  

Maybe but the picture of the gun steve asked about shows the rear sight dove tail being used as a scope mount,

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 4737
Member Since:
March 31, 2009
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
12
August 25, 2022 - 9:16 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Sorry, they switched to a second gun and I missed that.  Second gun does not have a front sight or scope but does have a rear dovetail.

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 4404
Member Since:
November 19, 2006
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
13
August 26, 2022 - 2:55 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

Chuck said
If I had ordered this gun I would have deleted the rear sight dovetail too. It is of no use when using a scope like Clarence said.

  

Maybe the plan had been to use the rear dovetail for a scope mount – like the rifle that started this topic?

Forum Timezone: UTC 0
Most Users Ever Online: 778
Currently Online: Roundsworth, Rat Rod Mac, cjs57, Aussie Chris, SureShot
Guest(s) 74
Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)
Top Posters:
clarence: 6651
TXGunNut: 5274
Chuck: 4737
steve004: 4404
1873man: 4369
Big Larry: 2382
twobit: 2326
mrcvs: 1804
TR: 1742
Forum Stats:
Groups: 1
Forums: 17
Topics: 13041
Posts: 114119

 

Member Stats:
Guest Posters: 1820
Members: 9006
Moderators: 4
Admins: 3
Navigation