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January 29, 2020 - 5:14 pm
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I think about what will happen when I’m gone.  What will my family do?  Recently I inventoried and documented everything I own. Took pictures of all of the guns.  Two binders contain everything I have related to each gun. I also have all this data on my computer, back up hard drive and a flash drive that I keep in the safe.  My family has been introduced to a couple of auction house owners.  My family will be fine without my collection dollars but whatever they get will be a plus. I could have wasted it on other things that would have resulted in no money when I am gone.

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win4575 said
I think these would have brought more 10 years ago, but not 5.   In my opinion, the market has changed considerably  in just the past 5 years.   Personally, I  think the 1894 deluxe would have been in the $10 to $12K range 5 or 6 years ago. I bought a 1916 vintage .38-55 carbine in Denver about 10 years ago, not as nice as the one in the photo and paid $4,000 for it.  Taking that into consideration, the auction carbine went for a very reasonable price.  

Agree on the comment associated with time.  The market was getting hot 10 years back.  I was somewhat familiar with the 38-55 carbine market during that time as well, and I agree with its price being reasonable.

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Chayns1969, tries to buy great guns at reasonable prices.  That gives he and his potential customer a chance to make some money.  It may not be the profit we were used to 10 years ago, but there is still some meat left on the bone for future sellers and/or collectors.  Notice he NEVER puts a reserve on any of his auction guns.  He feels people are much more apt to bid on a gun, because it starts everyone out at the bottom of the ladder, therefor he gets a lot of bids.   He understands that a gun may not sell for what he paid for it, but he’s willing to take that chance  Most of the time it pays off; once in a while it doesn’t.  I’ve said this many times before, people collect because they love collecting.  Makes no difference whether its pop bottle caps or firearms.  Just so happens, our collecting habits can be Very expensive at times.  2019 was a bad year for me personally, as I  lost several very close friends who’s gun collections were huge.  I had known some of these guys for over 50 years and we had collected since we were in our early 20’s.  We gun showed together, bought, sold and traded with one another all those years and watched our collections grow.   What they left behind were some extremely high quality, historic firearms and frontier memorabilia.  Their widows are now left to deal with literally hundreds of guns and other stuff.  Many of these guns are five and six figure pieces.  Where are they going to find buyers for these things.  Collecting has always been a passion for me, but at my age I don’t want to spend money on high dollar guns.  Who would I sell them too?  

I don’t know for sure who Chayns1969 is but he sure shows a lot of good pictures.  There is little to no doubt what you are buying. 

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I think about what will happen when I’m gone.  What will my family do?  Recently I inventoried and documented everything I own. Took pictures of all of the guns.  Two binders contain everything I have related to each gun. I also have all this data on my computer, back up hard drive and a flash drive that I keep in the safe.  My family has been introduced to a couple of auction house owners.  My family will be fine without my collection dollars but whatever they get will be a plus. I could have wasted it on other things that would have resulted in no money when I am gone.  

  Well said! T/R

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TR said

  Well said! T/R  

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I don’t know for sure who Chayns1969 is but he sure shows a lot of good pictures.  There is little to no doubt what you are buying.   

I agree on all counts!  Plus, I have had the good fortune to speak with Chayns1969 on the phone and I thoroughly enjoyed our conversation!   He is such a nice person and credit to our community that I honestly believe that, if one finds that a piece is not as advertised…even after the inspection period, that he might likely  make the deal right.

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  What Chayns1969 has done is offer nice guns that collectors want, in a no reserve auction, to any buyer publicly without the auction fees. No 15% buyers fee, no 15% sellers fee, and over a hundred good pictures. Great opportunity for a buyer, but gutsy on the sellers part. You will not find many sellers willing to take that risk. I have bought, sold, and traded with him, found him to be fair and honest with a good eye for quality. T/R  

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clarence said

“Some day” may not be so far away, if after the next election the Dems gain total control of Congress; THEN, as quickly as votes can be counted (unlike the blithering idiotic incompetence displayed by the Repubs when THEY had control, but didn’t know what to do with it!), the “assault weapons” ban will be back to stay for a long time, if not permanently.  

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Chuck said
I don’t know for sure who Chayns1969 is but he sure shows a lot of good pictures.  There is little to no doubt what you are buying.   

I agree on all counts!  Plus, I have had the good fortune to speak with Chayns1969 on the phone and I thoroughly enjoyed our conversation!   He is such a nice person and credit to our community that I honestly believe that, if one finds that a piece is not as advertised…even after the inspection period, that he might likely  make the deal right.

James  

I’ve bought a few guns from Chayns1969, and I too agree that he is an honest guy. I’ve always had a pleasant experience dealing with him.

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I had meant to include this earlier in the thread–

I had given several reasons for the declining interest in antique firearms and mentioned the socialism movement in this country as being anti firearm.  What I don’t understand is how both Theodore Roosevelt and Alexandria Orcasio-Cortez can be labeled as Progressives when one was an ardent conservationist, sportsman, and owner of many fine firearms; the other, and others like her, are clueless when it comes to firearms, land preservation and the outdoors, and wants to take your firearms from you, antique or otherwise.

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Chuck said

I don’t know for sure who Chayns1969 is but he sure shows a lot of good pictures.  There is little to no doubt what you are buying.   

I dare say his pics show me more than I’m likely to see hands-on in person. On top of that he sells some pretty outstanding Winchesters. I’ve never had the pleasure of dealing with him but wouldn’t hesitate to do so. I wish I could take pictures like his.

 

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mrcvs said 
What I don’t understand is how both Theodore Roosevelt and Alexandria Orcasio-Cortez can be labeled as Progressives…

Shouldn’t be hard to understand–meanings of words change over time…sometimes drastically.  Every one of the “Founding Fathers” were considered the Liberals of their time.

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clarence said Every one of the “Founding Fathers” were considered the Liberals of their time.  

Revolutionary traitorous criminals by the Crown.

 

I think if old Teddy ran today he’d be labeled as a gun wielding ultra conservative. The media would loose their minds with all the dead carcasses he brought back from his safaris. Elephants, white rhinos, lions, tigers and bears, oh my!

 

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Thanks for the cartoon. The guy buying the gun with tax dollars looks an awful lot like Prime Minister of Canada Justin Trudeau. He is a LIBERAL!! And he’ s planning to do just that and more. I am waiting to see if his proposed  “assault rifle ” ban will include my 1914 Lee-Enfield .303. 

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Thanks for the cartoon. The guy buying the gun with tax dollars looks an awful lot like Prime Minister of Canada Justin Trudeau. He is a LIBERAL!! And he’ s planning to do just that and more. I am waiting to see if his proposed  “assault rifle ” ban will include my 1914 Lee-Enfield .303.   

You should buy up every non-working parts-gun you can find–rusted up junk, revolvers missing their cylinder, frozen semi-autos, etc.  The idiots put in charge of buy-back programs don’t know the difference!

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I am 36 years old and I am an avid Winchester collector along with my brother…. I do agree that the number of collectors may go down but the people that are will just have more in their collection. 

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Gun shows tend be a sea of grey hair (of those that have hair).  The younger people there are looking at plastic rifles, modern handguns and the like.  I know there are exceptions to this but they are all too rare.  A friend of mine recently attended a cartridge collector’s meeting.  He is 70.  He was the youngest person in the room.  

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Gun shows tend be a sea of grey hair (of those that have hair).  The younger people there are looking at plastic rifles, modern handguns and the like.  I know there are exceptions to this but they are all too rare.  A friend of mine recently attended a cartridge collector’s meeting.  He is 70.  He was the youngest person in the room.    

Steve, I will be 70 this year and am the youngest of the crowd I hang with.  When in my 30’s my daughter asked me why I always hung out with the old guys.  I told her that they were the most interesting and the stories they could tell were priceless.  By the way, I legally own 2 black guns.  They are fun to shoot.  I have bought a few guns just because I could and it was against the local Socialists wishes.  I have been contemplating getting a concealed carry permit just because I can, not that I need one.  The few times I thought I should I did.

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When in my 30’s my daughter asked me why I always hung out with the old guys.  I told her that they were the most interesting and the stories they could tell were priceless.  

And that was no lie! 

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There was a time I was the youngest in my crowd by about 50 years.  That is no longer true, but I am still the youngest in my crowd 😉

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Kinda sad reading these comments but appreciate them. I’m just a baby at 56 and it’s true I’m 20yrs younger than my collector friends.
The only upside is I’m getting the opportunity to acquire some nice guns as they grow older but I prefer their friendship.

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