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December 20, 2019
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Hello Fellas, Just looking for a few opinions here. My 1892 32-20 mfg’d 1911 cycles fine (empty, that is), and shoots just fine. What I feel is not right is the effort required to chamber cartridges. I understand lever guns are generally not intended to be slow cycled, although I sometimes ask myself why that should matter. To successfully chamber rounds in this rifle, the action must be operated with firm determination, otherwise the cartridge rim hangs up in the slots on the cartridge guides. The receiver had been disassembled and inspected by myself for any apparent problems of which none were found. All appears well. As I handload, I suspected it may have been the Starline brass. I picked up a bag of RP brass with same results. I need to mention that my pre 64 Winnie Mod. ’94 has no such problem. Nor does my Marlin 1895. I’m now wondering if this may have been an issue with other ’92’s from this time period. Any thoughts greatly appreciated.
Thanks Gentlemen,
Bob Sull.
March 31, 2009
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Post pictures of the guides.
https://winchestercollector.org/forum/forum-rules-and-faqs/posting-pictures-2024/
December 20, 2019
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Chuck, Being old school I’m not good at uploading, etc. Don’t know if you got my picture you asked for, but I’ll send it this way.
March 31, 2009
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I got the pic but I am not the expert.
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BobSull said
Chuck, Being old school I’m not good at uploading, etc. Don’t know if you got my picture you asked for, but I’ll send it this way. Thanks again
Bob,
It’s a pretty well known fact, for many older Win. rifle shooters, that you have to cycle the ammunition in Winchester Rifles with authority. Now with that being said, we should never assume that something inside isn’t suggesting a good cleaning, a worn part, (parts), and or some fine inspecting, and maybe even some light lubricating, not to hold dirt and debris, but to work the way these fine pieces were designed.
I have an older friend, that has a lot of experience in some pretty difficult situations, many years ago, as a Veteran, and he likes to always take his stuff down, and inspect, and even fine tune with, “Crocus Cloth”, (emery paper), as he likes to say. ‘Smooth as Silk”, I can often hear him say, as we visit often, and always seem to pass a firearm around, in between a cup of coffee! Been doing it for years and I’ve been sold on it!
In most cases you just know if it feels right, or not! IMHO!
Anthony
December 20, 2019
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Thank you Anthony, If the first point you state is in fact the reason, that would be fine. I could live with that. As I had personally disassembled and emptied the receiver of all internals including the guides, I’m inclined to believe this is the case. Retired now, but as a mechanic and machinist for my entire career I am a stickler for burrs, rough edges, etc. None of these existed. As mentioned in my first post, when empty, the action operates smoothly. Also keeping in mind that the 1892 design of the rifle was still very early on in the refinement of lever action rifles in general. Take care, Bob S.
March 20, 2010
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It shouldnt be a chore to cycle these. Check your right cartridge guide. Does not look like it is fully in the receiver slot, which can happen if not fully aligned. You may have to set it within the slot and move it forward then back for it to fully seat within the receiver. The second place you can loose some spacing is the left cartridge guide if the cartridge stop spring eye is not squarely in the eye recess on the back side of the cartridge guide. That can cause an issue.
Ive got a 25-20 and measured the spacing between the cartridge guides: Front width is 0.353″ (furthest extent between the two guides towards front of receiver, at the cartridge head recess 0.430″, and at the back between the guides at the bolt 0.360″. Check those items and see if something is not a little off.
Chris
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BobSull said
Hello Fellas, Just looking for a few opinions here. My 1892 32-20 mfg’d 1911 cycles fine (empty, that is), and shoots just fine. What I feel is not right is the effort required to chamber cartridges. I understand lever guns are generally not intended to be slow cycled, although I sometimes ask myself why that should matter. To successfully chamber rounds in this rifle, the action must be operated with firm determination, otherwise the cartridge rim hangs up in the slots on the cartridge guides. The receiver had been disassembled and inspected by myself for any apparent problems of which none were found. All appears well. As I handload, I suspected it may have been the Starline brass. I picked up a bag of RP brass with same results. I need to mention that my pre 64 Winnie Mod. ’94 has no such problem. Nor does my Marlin 1895. I’m now wondering if this may have been an issue with other ’92’s from this time period. Any thoughts greatly appreciated.
Thanks Gentlemen,
Bob Sull.
Hello Bob,
I would like to add your rifle into my research survey of the Model 1892’s. Can I please get the serial number and more information on the configuration, caliber etc? You can read a bit more about it here: https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-research-surveys/winchester-model-1892-all-rifle-survey/
Thanks
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
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