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Good morning, I love this forum and read here often. You guys are great.
I am a beginning collector of model 90 Winchesters, My dad collected them when I was younger and had some good ones, but sold them in the 70’s. I have the bug now! I currently have a few blued 2nd model, and 3rd variations in very good condition. I really want to get a case colored 2nd model or 1st model, I am looking at these two 2nd models below. Can you guys please attest to the originality of each? I honestly don’t know about Winchester coloring much. Thanks, Paul Radford Jr.
On gunsbroker – Number 559421189 – http://www.gunbroker.com/item/559421189
Winchester grove – Case colored WRF 33xxx – http://thewinchestergrove.com/1890/33xxx.htm
I tried to post link but it would not allow. Could someone else do this for me?
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Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Thank you Bert. I will look into it for sure. I am especially interested in the discount for factory letters with a Win. collector membership. I like to have all the documentation on my 1890s even if they are standard. Do you suppose having a factory letter showing a matching configuration enhances the value? I mean even if it is a non special ordered gun? Also, Bert, I would appreciate your opinion on the two colored ones you posted the link on.
Bert H. said
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Bert
Bert’s right as always.
The WACA and forum is invaluable to a beginning Winchester collector. I can’t even express how much this forum and folks on it have helped me.
Winchester Model 1873 44-40 circa 1886
Pauly,
You don’t get a discount on letters from Cody with the membership to WACA. You get get the Discount if you join the Cody museum and then you get 15 extra phone searches from Cody with a WACA membership.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
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The case coloring on both guns looks original to me. I would expect the 2nd model on Gun Broker will go for considerably above the “current” bid.
Rick Schreiber
The rifle on Gunbroker appears to be factory original, with approximately 40% of the case color still vibrant. I would not rate the condition as high as the seller has, but it is a very nice example of a late case color finished 2nd rifle. What would bother me the most is the stated bore condition.
In regards to Don Grove’s Model 1890, it is in better condition, with a noticeably better balance of the case colors on it. I particularly like the stated bore condition, and the fact that it is a bona fide “Antique”. With that stated, I personally do not feel that it has 90% of the case color or 95% of the barrel blue. I would rate it at 70% and 85%. His revised (reduced) price is very reasonable in my opinion.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
I have never purchased a gun from Austin (seller of the GB piece), however, for what it’s worth, I would have no reservation in doing so. He’s offered me good advice and been very helpful.
Winchester Model 1873 44-40 circa 1886
August 11, 2015
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As a novice I really struggle with the % of cased colored and bluing on the barrel. I don’t have a problem making estimates of % amount but always wonder if there might be a more quantitative method that people use.
Having said that, I think the gun broker 1890 has the suggested lesser cased color but it looks like the barrel is pretty darn good. It may be optics and the age of the gun on Grove’s offering, but I think the gun broker barrel is in better shape. I do agree that the cased coloring on Grove’s gun is much brighter and looks to cover a tad more area.
I would welcome any additional discussion on these points as I am trying to get more confidence in making these calls.
Thanks,
Mark,
To me, especially judging by photos ( lighting & angles ) it’d very hard to get to a quantitative approach. You get what you see, but what you see may be not what you get.
Getting to a decision, you get to overall condition, and that’s where I go… with the better overall condition. Case colors are pretty and vary, barrels may be slightly different, but add bore condition and on top of that antique vs. modern tips the scale with my checkbook. Resale too.
One man’s opinion. Good luck, and remember, it’s fun !
Bill
Thank you for all of the comments. In your guys’ opinion, What is the market value of the rifle for sale on GunBroker? It seems reasonably priced to me so far. How often do you see 1890s with original case colors still present?
Also, other than the George Madis book I hear about, what other good references is there for 1890s and other pump Winchesters? Ive seen the Shwing book for sale, Is it a good book to have?
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