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Just because guns were sent back does not automatically mean they were repaired. Maybe they decided to add or modify something.
Chuck said
Maybe they decided to add or modify something.
Very common. Like the Low Wall I have built as Short, but returned to be rebarreled to LR–making it a much more versatile rifle, which I’d never have bought had it remained a Short.
Chuck said
Just because guns were sent back does not automatically mean they were repaired. Maybe they decided to add or modify something.
Absolutely true! In many cases, things like set triggers, or different sights, recoil pads, etc. were added.
Bert
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Mark Douglas said
Here’s an unusual situation where this rifle has a blank ledger entry, but was documented in the Winchester reference collection inventory records. It was apparently a prototype, a second model 1895 with a pistol grip stock.My guess is that it may have gone to “Russ” over in the specialty shop for fitting the pistol grip stock and then to the reference collection when Winchester decided against offering pistol grips as an option in the second models. Thus, it likely bypassed a stop where the entries were made in the ledgers. Mark
That is a neat different kind of documentation for sure and very interesting. Begs questions on the other reference collection firearms.
Sincerely,
Maverick
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Mark – I agree with Maverick. Very interesting rifle and references to some other rifles that are highly intriguing. I would love to see a picture of the M1895 with the opening lever on the side of the receiver (like a Win-Lee). Amazing to think about. Thanks for posting!
Maverick said
Mark Douglas said
Here’s an unusual situation where this rifle has a blank ledger entry, but was documented in the Winchester reference collection inventory records. It was apparently a prototype, a second model 1895 with a pistol grip stock.
My guess is that it may have gone to “Russ” over in the specialty shop for fitting the pistol grip stock and then to the reference collection when Winchester decided against offering pistol grips as an option in the second models. Thus, it likely bypassed a stop where the entries were made in the ledgers. Mark
That is a neat different kind of documentation for sure and very interesting. Begs questions on the other reference collection firearms.
Sincerely,
Maverick
Maverick, the last attachment is a copy of a page out of the Winchester Reference Collection inventory records. I believe those records have been published, but I don’t have a copy of the entire inventory. Maybe someone know if they’re still available to purchase. Mark
steve004 said
Mark – I agree with Maverick. Very interesting rifle and references to some other rifles that are highly intriguing. I would love to see a picture of the M1895 with the opening lever on the side of the receiver (like a Win-Lee). Amazing to think about. Thanks for posting!
I’ve seen that one at the Cody Firearms Museum. It’s definitely unique. I’ll look to see if I have a picture of it. If you’re interested, I did take this pistol grip 1895 out for a test fire last year. Mark
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Mark-
I thought that 1895 looked familiar. It made a cameo appearance in another video, if I recall.
Mike
TXGunNut said
Mark-I thought that 1895 looked familiar. It made a cameo appearance in another video, if I recall.
Mike
Yes, I recognized it as well.
steve004 said
TXGunNut said
Mark-
I thought that 1895 looked familiar. It made a cameo appearance in another video, if I recall.
Mike
Yes, I recognized it as well.
It’s one of my favorite adoptees!!!
Mark
Mark Douglas said
Maverick said
Mark Douglas said
Here’s an unusual situation where this rifle has a blank ledger entry, but was documented in the Winchester reference collection inventory records. It was apparently a prototype, a second model 1895 with a pistol grip stock.
My guess is that it may have gone to “Russ” over in the specialty shop for fitting the pistol grip stock and then to the reference collection when Winchester decided against offering pistol grips as an option in the second models. Thus, it likely bypassed a stop where the entries were made in the ledgers. Mark
That is a neat different kind of documentation for sure and very interesting. Begs questions on the other reference collection firearms.
Sincerely,
Maverick
Maverick, the last attachment is a copy of a page out of the Winchester Reference Collection inventory records. I believe those records have been published, but I don’t have a copy of the entire inventory. Maybe someone know if they’re still available to purchase. Mark
Hi Mark,
Coincidentally, I just purchased a copy of the Inventory Of The Winchester Firearms Reference Collection from Paul Hamer off the forum Swap Meet and just received it yesterday. In 1991, they published 500 copies and mine is number 308. As far as I know, they are limited to those 500 copies and they are out of print and only available in the second-hand market. Very interesting stuff in this book and I would recommend obtaining a copy to accompany your very special model 1895. I also splurged and bought the 12 volume set of Winchester Catalogs from the same seller. That set looks to be the ultimate reference guide.
Don
Congrats on those purchases, Don. I’d love to ad both of those to my library. Mark
deerhunter said
I also splurged and bought the 12 volume set of Winchester Catalogs from the same seller. That set looks to be the ultimate reference guide.
Don
Money well spent, it is the ultimate reference guide for Winchester’s made before 1919. T/R
Good morning from snowy Michigan,
Had an interesting drive in the falling snow to my daughter’s following a memorial service last night. You know the semi truck that has just got to pass you on the expressway where you can not see a single lane marker is close when his trailer hits your driver’s side mirror!! 
I looked at just a small portion of my data from the Model 1892 led and in the SN range from 100000 to 150000 there are 412 entries where there is no data for a serial number. Assuming that there was an actual receiver with that SN it may have eventually failed at some point in the manufacturing process or may have been kept as “parts.”
Michael
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TR said
deerhunter said
I also splurged and bought the 12 volume set of Winchester Catalogs from the same seller. That set looks to be the ultimate reference guide.
Don
Money well spent, it is the ultimate reference guide for Winchester’s made before 1919. T/R
Agreed! I also view many of the high quality out-of-print publications as investments just like my Winchesters. Prices seem to be creeping up on these too. Although my primary focus is to use, learn, and enjoy them, it is nice to know that I will not be losing any money on them down the road when I do decide to sell.
Don
Bert H. said
Chuck said
Just because guns were sent back does not automatically mean they were repaired. Maybe they decided to add or modify something.
Absolutely true! In many cases, things like set triggers, or different sights, recoil pads, etc. were added.
Bert
Like this one. Thought the unusual letter was pretty cool and I just had to have it. You don’t see very many letters out there that note the changes that were made, especially for the model 1894’s.
Don
deerhunter said
Like this one. Thought the unusual letter was pretty cool and I just had to have it. You don’t see very many letters out there that note the changes that were made, especially for the model 1894’s.
That original owner displayed uncommon good sense in going to the trouble of having it restocked for the SG plate; he made it a better rifle! But even if his changes were less obviously beneficial, the added “history” to the gun would make it more desirable to me than the same gun as it originally left the factory.
OK , I just got home from 72 hrs of shift work and read this. Seems that there are a couple questions in regard to the original question
1, It,s an 1886…. shocker!
2 It is a deluxe, checkered stocks.
3 Its antique as it has a serial number applied 1898.
4 It also has a shotgun butt.
So I guess laziness is the result of a ” record blank”?
Well , talking about weird ledger entries this one is a puzzle. They went to the trouble of crossing out most of the features, then changed some of the entries but not all of ’em when the gun went back in 1892. The current wood, barrel and mag. tube are original to the gun. I had Jessie and Angela check this gun twice to the ledger and this is how it letters, so much for accuracy in the ledgers , also Mod. 1894 ser#131488 is a deluxe .30 cal.,1/2 o.b., 1/2 mag, p.g. chkrd’, cres. butt. with a blank letter. It’s nice when everything comes together as per the gun, but sometimes they just don’t.
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Henry,
I have seen similar entries in several different Winchester models, but they are very infrequent. Your Model 1876 was originally built as shown in the crossed out information (A Fancy Sporting Rifle), but was then retuned by its owner, and reworked to its present configuration. You are lucky in that the ledger record was fully updated to document the changes. Many (most of the) times, the ledger records simply show a “R&R” with a date and order number, which leaves us with a mystery as to what work was actually done to the gun. I would be happy as a Lark with the CFM letter you have!!
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
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