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A few special 1894 / 94 carbines
January 18, 2021
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Had all the guns out today for their semi-annual wipe-down.  Thought I would share a few photos of a few special 1894 / 94 carbines in my collection:

 

Here's an 1894 carbine ordered with a rifle butt stock, no saddle ring, and a full buckhorn rear sight in 30 WCF.  Serial# 832405.

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Here's a 94 "eastern carbine" that was once owned by the San Francisco Police Dept. in 30 WCF--marked S.F.P.D.  Serial# 1075741.

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Here's an 1894 martially marked WWI spruce gun in 30 WCF.  Serial# 849681.

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Here's a 94 18-inch trapper carbine in 25-35 WCF.  Serial# 949121

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Here's a 94/95 hybrid carbine in 30 WCF with the pinned front sight.  Serial# 1025460.

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Here's another 94/95 hybrid carbine in 30 WCF but with the dovetailed front sight.  Serial# 1032290.

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January 18, 2021
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Don - very nice.  Thanks for sharing.  Very enjoyable to view.  They are all very nice but that 18" .25-35 carbine really gets my blood flowing.

January 18, 2021
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Don,

That is indeed a Very nice collection... but as I see it, you are missing a few;

1.  A WW I French Contract Carbine.

2.  A "DCP" marked WW I British Contract Carbine.

3.  And of course, a Type-3 Model 94/95 Hybrid to keep your Type-1, Type-2, and Type-4 hybrids company.

4.  A WW II PCMR Carbine.

Bert... a.k.a. "the Winchester Heckler"

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January 18, 2021
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steve004 said
Don - very nice.  Thanks for sharing.  Very enjoyable to view.  They are all very nice but that 18" .25-35 carbine really gets my blood flowing.  

Thanks Steve.  That 18-inch carbine is one of my favorites.  There are only twelve 18-inch carbines in the letterable range and I believe Bert has only 7 more in his survey, so as of now, it's one of only 19 known--plus a bonus being chambered in 25-35.

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Bert H. said
Don,

That is indeed a Very nice collection... but as I see it, you are missing a few;

1.  A WW I French Contract Carbine.

2.  A "DCP" marked WW I British Contract Carbine.

3.  And of course, a Type-3 Model 94/95 Hybrid to keep your Type-1, Type-2, and Type-4 hybrids company.

4.  A WW II PCMR Carbine.

Bert... a.k.a. "the Winchester Heckler"  

Thanks Bert.  Funds permitting, I am on the hunt for any nice examples of those you mentioned.  All of those seem pretty hard to come by.

Don

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Don,  I thought that Bert was offering you that special collection at a rock bottom price so you can have a "royal flush" or something of the sort.

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deerhunter said

Thanks Bert.  Funds permitting, I am on the hunt for any nice examples of those you mentioned.  All of those seem pretty hard to come by.

Don  

Don,

All kidding aside, Yes, the first three on the list I posted are indeed quite difficult to find.  The WW II PCMR Carbines are not as scarce (or hard to find), but they too do not exactly "grow on trees".  I will let you know when I find any of them.

Bert

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January 18, 2021
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thanks for the eye candy, some of these guns I did not even know existed...

I'l hijack the thread briefly: how rare are the French contract carbines in the USA? I guess most would have had to come back as "souvenirs" after either world conflict?

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Don,

Great group of 94's. I like the 18" carbine in 25-35.  I have a 14" trapper in 25-35, and as you know, one of the SFPD src's.

Thanks for sharing.

Al

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Nice pieces Don, My favorites. And Bert, We are always missing a few.Surprised

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freebird1968 said
thanks for the eye candy, some of these guns I did not even know existed...

I'l hijack the thread briefly: how rare are the French contract carbines in the USA? I guess most would have had to come back as "souvenirs" after either world conflict?  

They do (rarely) show up in U.S. based auctions, and some of them apparently came back from Europe through Canada. 

Over the past many years, I have encountered a few dozen of them.  For the past several years, your fellow countryman Gerald De Fortis and I have been sharing information back & forth about them.  Gerald provided me with a listing of the French Contract Model 94 carbines he has confirmed.  Between his list and mine, I now have (218) of them listed in the survey.

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tionesta1 said
Don,

Great group of 94's. I like the 18" carbine in 25-35.  I have a 14" trapper in 25-35, and as you know, one of the SFPD src's.

Thanks for sharing.

Al  

Thanks Al.  Any trapper in a caliber other than 30 WCF adds a whole new level of rarity in my opinion.  If I remember correctly, your 14-inch trapper has the error patent date as well, right?  I would also love to add a nice railroad marked carbine to the mix--that one you have is a beauty.

Don

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deerhunter said

Thanks Al.  Any trapper in a caliber other than 30 WCF adds a whole new level of rarity in my opinion.  If I remember correctly, your 14-inch trapper has the error patent date as well, right?  I would also love to add a nice railroad marked carbine to the mix--that one you have is a beauty.

Don  

Thanks Don, yes my 14" Trapper has the more rare October 14, 1884 patent date.  I bought this from a small local gun shop here in Western PA and didn't even notice the patent date until I got home and looked it over more closely. Boy, was I surprised.

Thanks for the compliment on my N&W Rwy carbine also.

Al

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Bert H. said

They do (rarely) show up in U.S. based auctions, and some of them apparently came back from Europe through Canada. 

Over the past many years, I have encountered a few dozen of them.  For the past several years, your fellow countryman Gerald De Fortis and I have been sharing information back & forth about them.  Gerald provided me with a listing of the French Contract Model 94 carbines he has confirmed.  Between his list and mine, I now have (218) of them listed in the survey.  

Thank you Bert, that gives me some context as "rare" in this case. I know Gerard very well Laugh
Well, now you have set Deerhunter on a hard mission: finding a WWI French Contract in as good a condition as his other guns...

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freebird1968 said

Thank you Bert, that gives me some context as "rare" in this case. I know Gerard very well Laugh
Well, now you have set Deerhunter on a hard mission: finding a WWI French Contract in as good a condition as his other guns...  

That will be a challenge for sure.  To me, much of the enjoyment in this hobby is the thrill of the hunt--along with the learning along the way.

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deerhunter said

To me, much of the enjoyment in this hobby is the thrill of the hunt--along with the learning along the way.  

Absolutely, and precisely as it should be!

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deerhunter said

That will be a challenge for sure.  To me, much of the enjoyment in this hobby is the thrill of the hunt--along with the learning along the way.  

totally agree.

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I often get buyers remorse when I finally find what I have been looking for.

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Chuck said
I often get buyers remorse when I finally find what I have been looking for.  

Isn't that the truth.  My dad and I used to scour antique stores, gun shows, estate sales, etc looking for antique Winchester tools, etc.  Then about 5 years ago an ad popped up on Craigslist, of all places, with a lifelong Winchester tool collection of over 400 pieces.  My dad bought the entire collection.  It was a find of lifetime at the time, but totally ruined the thrill of the hunt ever since.

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Don

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