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QuoteWondering what you think about the case coloring on the receiver of this rifle: http://www.gunauction.com/buy/12158539/guns-for-sale-antiques/winchester-rare-case-colored-1890-gallery-gun-c.-1894
5:43 pm
March 1, 2009
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it looks like someone tried to fake case coloring with cold blue,there is no real case coloring on that receiver
John K
By the serial number the gun is definitely a "second model" version of the 1890. The receiver was originally case hardened at the time of production but it does look a bit on the "funky" side to me. Another worrisome point is the apparent mint bore and the significantly better condition of the barrel blue than the balance of the rifle finish. The stock has been sanded and refinished. I would pass on it.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
6:24 pm
May 2, 2009
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At first glance it looked like someone went at it with a torch but I do see a little real case color on the left front under the screw. Someone did do something to it, I have never seen case weather like that.
Bob
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Not that you asked about this, but the barrel is not original to the rifle (too late) and this rifle should not have Winchester firing proofs on the receiver/barrel as manufactured. This rifle has had substantial enhancement.
I wasn't interested in buying the gun, as it is a little higher than what I can afford. I thought the case coloring looked kind of weird and also thought that the finish on the barrel looked a little too good to be true.
I agree with you guys. No case colors remaining (maybe a trace). Well used old gun that probably was sent back to the factory and rebarreled, with proof marks added then. I think someone tried to imitate case colors on the receiver using cold blue, or something. The seller is way off base in his description.
The auction gun has had the case colors enhanced and altered. This is what real case colors look like.
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That rifle is a piece parts gun. Look at the poor fit between the barrel assembly and the lower receiver assembly. There are a number of visual clues that scream "Not original".
Bert
WACA 6571L, Historian & Board of Director Member
Bert is correct. Wrong on many levels, and surely NOT original case colors. MANY think they know a lot about winchesters because they have a blue book or Flaydermans. FEW have owned hundred of rifles and handled many more than that to TRULY know. This one is a BUST.
One piece of strong evidence that it isn't all original is the fact that one of the patent dates on the barrel is much later than the date of manufacture stated by the seller. I suppose one might argue that the factory pulled a receiver out of a parts bin and matched it with a newer barrel, but the other inconsistencies noted by others are too troubling to value this rifle anywhere near where the seller has it.
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