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With Winchester introducing the Model 1894 first in the Marlin And Ballard
cartdridges 32-40 and 38-55 this takes up a number of pre 1899 fire-arms. This gets to my a question that I have long been in search of the
answer. With the serial number for the pre 1899 arms being scaled back
to just above 53xxx is there any breaskdown of the records to indicate
what percentage of of Model 1894’s were in 30 W.C.F. There is no doubt
that in years to come the 30 W.C.F. would become the front runner in the
feild, but early on the new smokeless powder was deemed to be a pass-
ing fad. In general my question is how common is a Model 1894 pre
1899 in 30 W.C.F. with the original barrel as quite a few seemed to have
been rebarreled at latter time.
Quantrez,
Here is the breakdown from Model 1894 the rifles in the legers.
I am not sure that there is a breakdown for the pre 1899 only range.
Production ratios for the first 353,999 Model 1894s made:
1:2 (45.92%) was a 30 W.C.F. (162,568)
1:5 (22.80%) was a 38-55 (80,734)
1:9 (11.31%) was a 32-40 (40,023)
1:9 (10.45%) was a 25-35 W.C.F. (36,999)
1:11 (8.77%) was a 32 W.S. (31,050)
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
Interesting question, and I am willing to bet that Jesi at the CFM may have the answer to it.
What we do know, is that there were 53,941 Model 1894s that were serialized through December 31st, 1898. I suspect that of that number, the caliber with the highest production was the 38-55, followed very closely by the 30 WCF. That stated, it is entirely possible that the 30 WCF production had already eclipsed the 38-55 production total by the end of the year 1898. What we do know, is that serial number 3314 was the first 30 WCF by date (5/29/1895), and that serial number 846 was the lowest serial number for a 30 WCF.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Odd that the .32 Win Special was the rarest caliber in the beginning and became so popular later on!
CJS57 said
Odd that the .32 Win Special was the rarest caliber in the beginning and became so popular later on!
The reason it "appears" to be rare in the early serial number range is simply because it was not available until October of 1901. The survey conducted by the CFM and reported in ther ARMAX was for serial numbers 1 – 353,999 (October 1894 – May 1907).
In the years 1927 – 1963, just over 28% of all Model 94s made were chambered for the 32 W.S. cartridge, as compared to nearly 68% in 30 W.C.F.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert thanks for the reply. If by chance you come across the breakdown
of the Model 1894 in 30WCF pre 1899 or even up to the end of the records
I am surely interested in trying to get an idea of how quick the new cart-
drige caught on. I have done a lot of homework over the last several years but have been unable to come up with any numbers. There is
no doubt the 30 WCF is the most popular but I would like to know when
that took place. Thanks again
The numbers listed above by Michael (twobit) were quoted from a topic post that I wrote several years, and it was based on the ARMAX survey.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
I already have the listed information and that does give some idea
of what was going on but the numbers that I am after may be hard
to come by. What I would like to know would be a year by year
break-down of the 38-55, 32-40, and the 30WCF.
That information is not available to the best of my knowledge.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
I really didn’t think it was and really if a person just knew the numbers
for the 30 WCF one could estimate the others. It’s just something I have
long wondered about and now with the numbers scaled by by nearly
one hundred thousand guns it makes me even more interested.
Just how many Model 1894 made before 1899 in 30 WCF left the
Winchester factory?????? Maybe someday will find out. Thanks again
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