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Thanks Bert. That’s very helpful. Hopefully I can eventually get that serial number more visible.
I plan on taking it to the range next week to see how it performs.
Now that you were spot on as to what I paid for it at the auction, what do you think it’s really worth?
And be honest with me – I can take it!
Since I’m a rookie at this stuff and never really thought about it until it happened…
If a serial number is no longer legible due to use (rubbed down from holding that portion of the gun for 100+ years or just poor/aggressive maintenance) — how does one record/register the gun if your jurisdiction requires registration?
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Since I’m a rookie at this stuff and never really thought about it until it happened…If a serial number is no longer legible due to use (rubbed down from holding that portion of the gun for 100+ years or just poor/aggressive maintenance) — how does one record/register the gun if your jurisdiction requires registration?
Tony,
Per U.S. Federal regulations, serial numbers were not required prior to the GCA (Gun Control Act) of 1968. Additionally, I am not aware of any "jurisdiction" that requires registration of long-guns.
There are forensic methods that can be used to recover the serial number on your gun, but it will damage the bluing.
In regards to your question about the value… with a sharp clean bore it should be worth at least $700.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Good morning Tony,
As I mentioned in your other post there is a very limited range of serial numbers which have the exact style of upper tang mark with no periods used in it. Your rifle was manufactured during 1904 and most likely in the first half of the year. I have seen 33 rifles with this tang but interestingly only 2 have been carbines.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
I just had Michael enter my 1892 into the survey. It is very good that someone is documenting these guns for us. He came up with some very good information on mine that I did not know. I would like to thank you for this. The more of us that give our gun info to him the better this survey will turn out for all of us. It will be a very useful tool when complete.
Steve
I had a chance to do some more exploring on my 1892 and after I took off the magazine tube I found the following markings on 1) the underside ("six o’clock" position) of the barrel, and 2) the forward end of the receiver.
Would these markings still be consistent with the earlier findings of dating the gun sometime in the 1903-04 range?
Also, the folks at the Chicago ATF office and Chicago Police Deptartment have been quite nice about having a gun with a worn off serial number.
Chicago PD allowed me to register it as a pre-1968 gun not requiring a serial number.
And ATF is in process of either attempting to recover the serial number using forensics, or will issue a new number.
I know that either method will affect the value, but at this point it would be nice to know what the original number was – since I could then at least contribute a little something solid to Bert’s research 😀
Thanks much.
Tony
I asked a similar question about a 1905 gun and had it answered here:
http://www.winchestercollector.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=29328#29328
Maybe it will help a little.
Brad
Michael, When looking through some old sale catalogs I wrote down the limited info on the 1892 Winchesters listed. You may have most of them in your survey, but I can list the serial numbers here if you’d like to check them. I could then give you the info on the ones you need.
oakridge
Oakridge,
I will be glad to take any information you have. I can take a look at my spread sheets and see if I have them or not.
Thanks
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
Michael, Here is the list of ’92 serial numbers. Disregard the dashes. Just let me know which ones you don’t have.
–8,003———-611,898
-11,017———-621,456
-27,818———-649,554
-30,867———-654,177
-34,149———-691,216
-54,883———-692,102
-55,788———-724,221
-63,531———-746,544
-98,285———-770,902
127,327———-785,355
159,645———-786,922
184,533———-791,733
221,894———-837,603
231,589———-854,463
232,289———-854,697
248,423———-855,076
248,924———-866,830
267,832———-881,840
305,831———-889,150
312,896———-910,380
345,218———-911,023
348,562———-954,172
351,719———-955,062
368,563———-982,483
388,377———-992,246
401,639———-993,087
409,406———-994,897
410,270———-997,542
498,633——–1,001,221(Mod.65)
566,183
574,437
581,405
Oakridge,
Wow! That is quite a list. 60 serial numbers. I did have 6 of the rifles in my data already.
54883
184533
388377
855076
881840
910380
I am not sure what the best way to transfer the information that you have. If you can scan what you have and email it to me that would work. Let me know if there is anything I can do to help.
Thanks so much
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
Michael, If I scanned the information, you probably couldn’t read it. I scribbled it down on a legal pad and I may be the only human that can read it. I’ll just type it out and Email it to you. Oh, and I just found 6 more serial numbers.
-54,322
187,605
379,634
669,735
878,819
934,955
I’ll just add the info on these at the end of the list.
Oakridge,
Thanks for all the data. I just input it all into the spread sheet.
Thank you so much for the help. And to all others who have pitched in. I truly appreciate yor efforts.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
Picked this up the other day. model 1892 standard rifle. 44 WCF, 24" octagon barrel, barrel marked Manufactured by the(top) Winchester Repeating Arms co. New Haven Conn USA(bottom), Tang Model 1892, Winchester, Pat. Oct 14 1884, shotgun hard rubber roll over butt plate with Winchester Repeating Arms Co. in a circle, rear sight full buckhorn marked Marbles Gladstone Mich. USA, ft marked Sheard on right side and Marbles on left. Prob. not orig. to gun? Number two style hammer according to Madis. S/N is 71070. Since Madis’s S/N’s are not correct what would be the date of manuf?
Claude,
Per my research and in Chapter 8 of "The RED BOOK of WINCHESTER Values"; these were the year ending serial numbers for the early production Model 1892;
1892 = 7121
1893 = 22804
1894 = 38744
1895 = 53616
1896 = 67843
1897 = 85930
1898 = 103328
Your Model 1892 is an 1896 vintage gun.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Hello Claude,
Thanks for the data on your rifle. I have added it into the survey. Are there dashes before and after the two lines of print in the barrel address?
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
Hello Claude,
Did you check the configuration with the Cody Firearms Museum before you bought the rifle? It would be highly unusual for your rifle to have that style of barrel address on it. Could you send me some photos of the gun? I would be intersted in seeing it.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
Hi ment to say no dashes not lines. It is a two line marking as stated in 1st post with no dashes. Daughter has my camera but can take with my iphone. If you provide your email will try to send to you. Son-in-law found this rifle in his hunt club. Near excellent bore and mechanics. Purchased this rifle for 500.00 and reailly haven’t thought about verification other than date of manuf.
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