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I suspect the number of fakes would be directly comperable to the supposed vintage.
BOBR94 said
There are definitely correct examples out there but I would estimate an equal or greater number of fakes.
I would guess there are a LOT of fakes out there and VERY FEW correct, original examples out there.
I agree. Where did all these boxes and crates come from. Were they buried in collections all these years and never seen? I was actively collecting Winchesters from the late ’60s to mid-’80s and made a lot of gun shows as well as subscribing to dealer lists and auction catalogs. Occasionally I would see guns with original cardboard boxes, and rarely a wooden shipping crate. Never owned one. They just weren’t out there. If there were many in old collections, they were a well kept secret.
An old man that lived not far from me had an 1892 Winchester rifle, standard OBFM, .44-40, new in it’s original cardboard Winchester box. At his death, a "friend" of the widow immediately took the man’s guns off somewhere and sold them for her. I never got a shot at it.
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Here’s another fine Winchester with an "original" shipping crate…hmmm…wonder what happened to the special sights noted on the "original" label???
http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/winchester-70-300-h-h-magnum-w6596/
deerhunter said
Here’s another fine Winchester with an "original" shipping crate…hmmm…wonder what happened to the special sights noted on the "original" label???http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/winchester-70-300-h-h-magnum-w6596/
When did the Ed. K. Tryon Company go out of business?
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Crate is legit and correct for a bull gun, but believe that there should be a yellow end label for a 1959 rifle….Winchester stopped using the white labels in the early 50’s. May just be a coincidence that the 1959 serial# is written on the crate itself and the part of the label in the lower right hand corner where the serial# was hand written at the factory is missing. The wood underneath the missing part of the label does not look as weathered as the rest of the crate.
I didn’t realize Winchester was still shipping in wood crates in the 1950’s. When did they stop and change to cardboard?
Because of their additional weight, Bull Guns (and some Target Models) were crated.
wolfbait said
He is a high profile seller on the internet, and has all positive feedback. He knows people doubt his items, but he is daring them to try to show his items are fraudulent. No one has been able to expose him.
that’s wrong he was exposed doctoring A "minty 73" on this site 6+0R- ago. I think you should buy a few of his guns and tell us about it!
If a fellow is trying to pass off fake crates as original, then it tells me that he is a little slack in the honesty department. If he is a little slack in the honesty department, then he may also try and pass off sketchy guns as original, even if he wasn’t the one who messed with the gun. Maybe most of his guns are honest even if he is not ….. but there will always be the question in every deal as to just how honest the gun is. Nothing beats a knowledgable, hands-on inspection, especially when dealing with a fellow who is a little slack in the honesty department.
I’ve purchased two items from him. I believe the guns are authentic but the boxes & end labels are NOT. Notice all of the end labels have the serial numbers written in the same blue pen with the same handwriting. The wax paper isn’t authentic either, its much thicker & less flexible than the original paper used by winchester. I even went so far as to take them to a friend of mine who works at the NRA museum in Fairfax take a look at them. Although I was confident, he confirmed my suspicions. I sent the rifles back. Nice gentleman, nice rifles but the boxes are NOT authentic. Be warned.
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