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September 16, 2013 - 9:40 am
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Is the selling of what appear to be NIB fabrications illegal? Certainly unethical, but is it technically illegal?

I have neither said or suggested that it is "illegal"… only that the items are fakes.

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I doubt the seller is making up fake boxes. He does have some correct boxes in his auctions.

Perhaps, the seller bought a collection of rifles and was, himself, fooled by the fake items. He’s now be in the position where he knows they are fake and has decided that he will pass them on to the next owner as original.

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The whole point of this topic string was to educate all interested persons using this forum that did not know or recognize that the items in question are not real, and to hopefully prevent someone from getting burned. These guns came to my attention from a WACA forum member.

In regards to the fake boxes, somebody most certainly did make them, and the sundry literature with them. Whether or not it was the seller or someone else, the seller is ultimately the responsible culprit. He knows they are fakes. There are also factory originality issues with at least two of the guns (the Model 94s).

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There is a seller on E-Bay that sells hundreds of reprinted manuals, hang tags and price tags. He makes lots of Winchester stuff.

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There is no doubt something is wrong as of all the sellers items listed
he has no one bidding…… Maybe Bert is doing some good. The odd
part of it is that of the guns Bert has pointed out IMHO he would have
been far better of without the boxes. I am surprised he has not got them
as NIB also?

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