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$6500.00 Mod.92
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January 29, 2023 - 1:14 pm

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Going back to the gun show 29 Jan. ’23.  An acquaintance is bring in a Mod. 92 from the 1920s. 44wcf rifle std. length. Wonderful blue which thinks is original. He isn’t a shyster. Beach front sight. Probably a tang rear. Octagon barrel I think. He has had it quite a while but has been reluctant to sell/trade. I held it several months ago along with other pieces he had so I don’t remember all the details of all the pieces. I just remember high condition. 

$6500.00 is starting point. Is there any thing that could justify that price tag?

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January 29, 2023 - 2:21 pm

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 A 92 rifle in 44/40 octagon original with condition could be worth $6,500. It’s the right caliber and condition is everything. That said it could be re-blued and worth $1200.

 At all gun shows you see people walking guns around selling their gun, that does not mean they know what it’s worth. At the end of the day it’s worth what someone paid him. T/R

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January 29, 2023 - 2:45 pm

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Going back to the gun show 29 Jan. ’23.  An acquaintance is bring in a Mod. 92 from the 1920s. 44wcf rifle std. length. Wonderful blue which thinks is original. He isn’t a shyster. Beach front sight. Probably a tang rear. Octagon barrel I think. He has had it quite a while but has been reluctant to sell/trade. I held it several months ago along with other pieces he had so I don’t remember all the details of all the pieces. I just remember high condition. 

$6500.00 is starting point. Is there any thing that could justify that price tag?

  

Good morning,

For that price tag it better be in very nice condition.  If you will get some photos of the rifle and post/send them it will be much simpler and more accurate to advise you.

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January 29, 2023 - 2:58 pm

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It comes down to if you know what reblued or refinished looks like. If you don’t know your taking a big gamble. I see about 95% of gun owners on gun value sites that believe their gun is all original until they post pictures. If you can buy it with a inspection period or with a guarantee and then post picture of it here would be ideal.

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January 29, 2023 - 3:31 pm

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Thanks for response. I will be at my tables 09:00-16:0IMG_20230129_094022978.jpgImage EnlargerIMG_20230129_094121254.jpgImage EnlargerIMG_20230129_094006993.jpgImage EnlargerIMG_20230129_093857006.jpgImage EnlargerIMG_20230129_093900205.jpgImage EnlargerIMG_20230129_093940238.jpgImage EnlargerIMG_20230129_093929084.jpgImage EnlargerIMG_20230129_094018906.jpgImage Enlarger0 cst.

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January 29, 2023 - 3:47 pm

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Hardhat DV2 said
Going back to the gun show 29 Jan. ’23.  An acquaintance is bring in a Mod. 92 from the 1920s. 44wcf rifle std. length. Wonderful blue which thinks is original. He isn’t a shyster. Beach front sight. Probably a tang rear. Octagon barrel I think. He has had it quite a while but has been reluctant to sell/trade. I held it several months ago along with other pieces he had so I don’t remember all the details of all the pieces. I just remember high condition. 

$6500.00 is starting point. Is there any thing that could justify that price tag?

  

I’m pretty sure a flipper wouldn’t buy it for that.  But, would probably ask that for it – if it is all original and has very high condition.  

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January 29, 2023 - 3:49 pm

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Hardhat DV2 said He has had it quite a while but has been reluctant to sell/trade.
  

That means a buyer would be paying for the gun, plus monetary compensation for the seller’s remorse in parting with it.

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January 29, 2023 - 4:03 pm

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That’s a lot of money for this rifle.  It is in .44 – 40 and has an octagon barrel.  But it’s a later gun with much wear to the original finish and no special order features.  He needs to come down considerably on the price.

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January 29, 2023 - 4:26 pm

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Thanks for response. I will be at my tables 09:00-16:0IMG_20230129_094022978.jpgImage EnlargerIMG_20230129_094121254.jpgImage EnlargerIMG_20230129_094006993.jpgImage EnlargerIMG_20230129_093857006.jpgImage EnlargerIMG_20230129_093900205.jpgImage EnlargerIMG_20230129_093940238.jpgImage EnlargerIMG_20230129_093929084.jpgImage EnlargerIMG_20230129_094018906.jpgImage Enlarger0 cst.

  

Looking at the photos, I believe the barrel is not original to this gun. It looks to be a 1930’s barrel mounted on a 1920’s receiver.  For the 94’s, according to several sources, Winchester moved the model designation from the top tang to the left barrel flat in 1932 and I’m thinking the 92’s followed that same path. According to this website for the model 92’s, serial number 964828 was made between 1921-1928 (strange that it gave a date range rather than a specific year). If that’s the case, this rifle is nowhere near the $6,500 asking price. I’m sure twobit, the expert on the 92’s, will provide his assessment shortly.

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January 29, 2023 - 5:28 pm

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It appears that several of you are missing the fact that it is a Take Down Sporting Rifle with a half-mag, both of which add value to that rifle.

The serial number places the date of manufacture in mid-year 1928, and the barrel marking is consistent with that time period.  In this same time period, Winchester was manufacturing a fair number of Model 53 rifles, and all of them (both the Model 92 and Model 53) had the Type 6 upper tang marking that was sans the Model designation.  For the Model 94, the transition from the Type 5 upper tang marking (with the Model designation) to the Type 6 took place in March of 1928, and corresponded with the merging of the Model 55 serial numbers into the Model 94 serial range.  The exact same upper tang marking change occurred with the Model 53 and Model 92 serial numbers.

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January 29, 2023 - 5:43 pm

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Yes it is a takedown and does have a half magazine, so yes, these are special order features.  So I stand corrected.  And that does add value, but I had more in mind pistol grip and checkering, etc.

I think it’s still too much money.  I’d be more inclined to pursue this at a lesser price, although admittedly the total production of .44 – 40 relative to all other calibers makes it sometimes a challenge to find a good one.

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January 29, 2023 - 6:15 pm

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I like it and the price seems fair to me. If you don’t feel good about it, pass. Someone else will probably buy it for that but I’ve learned to pass when it doesn’t feel right.

 

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January 29, 2023 - 6:39 pm

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I like it and the price seems fair to me.

  

With about a third of the bluing worn off the rcvr?  If so, it would push the same gun with full bluing into the 8 G category.

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January 29, 2023 - 6:50 pm

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clarence said

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I like it and the price seems fair to me.

  

With about a third of the bluing worn off the rcvr?  If so, it would push the same gun with full bluing into the 8 G category.

  

Yes. That seems to be common for rifles of this period, even examples with otherwise high condition. A gun of this period with no loss of bluing on the receiver would make me suspect it had been reblued.

 

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January 29, 2023 - 6:50 pm

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I believe the finish is “Flaked” off and not from wear.  RDB

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January 29, 2023 - 7:02 pm

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  The fact that it is a takedown adds value, the 44/40 octagon half mag adds value, maybe there is something else you didn’t see. The front sight is a Lyman probably more correct for the gun but less in value than the Beach, not a big deal.

 It would help to see pictures of the butt stock and butt plate, maybe it has more features. It will take special features to get this gun to $6500, it’s condition won’t. T/R

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January 29, 2023 - 7:12 pm

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This 92 found a new home

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January 29, 2023 - 7:16 pm

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This 92 found a new home

  

Yours?

 

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January 29, 2023 - 7:35 pm

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This 92 found a new home

  

That does not surprise me – it is an original and correct Model 92 in 44 caliber in the very desireable takedown- very hard to find and most collections do not have one. Everybody wants a 92 in 44 caliber but most are not willing to pay for them – they will still be looking for one years down the road – nice Model 92’s are disappearing fast as they are added to collections. Remember the Jim Cauthen deluxe 92 in 44 which was discussed on the Forum and sold awhile back – that gun brought $28,500. Of the 50+ Winchester levers I sold from my collection in the past 5 years, the guns that reaped the most profit (% wise) were the 92’s – especially the SRC’s – they are not making any more of them.

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January 29, 2023 - 7:48 pm

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This 92 found a new home

  

That does not surprise me – it is an original and correct Model 92 in 44 caliber in the very desireable takedown- very hard to find and most collections do not have one. Everybody wants a 92 in 44 caliber but most are not willing to pay for them – they will still be looking for one years down the road – nice Model 92’s are disappearing fast as they are added to collections. Remember the Jim Cauthen deluxe 92 in 44 which was discussed on the Forum and sold awhile back – that gun brought $28,500. Of the 50+ Winchester levers I sold from my collection in the past 5 years, the guns that reaped the most profit (% wise) were the 92’s – especially the SRC’s – they are not making any more of them.

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I wish I could have gone to Texas and looked at Cauthen’s gun.  Deluxe 92’s in 38 or 44 are some of the rarest guns out there.  They just don’t come out of hiding.  You all know I bought a lesser gun but for a lot less money.  I had been looking for one since 1990 and have only seen no more than 4 for sale. I bought a standard 44 cal 92 almost 35 years ago and bet it would sell for 2 times what I paid for it.

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