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Gary,

This is stellar information to hear not only for me but all SR enthusiasts!  322984 is a full magazine…long forearm…4″ Sight dovetail!  Also with a shot gun butt in 38-55 caliber!  This may very well be a one of a kind special order 1894.  I am so happy to get this information!  The gun is in incredible condition!  The highest condition SR I have ever laid eyes on.  I bought it 15+ years ago from an old timer at the Baltimore antique arms show.  I’ll never forget seeing it for the first time on his table from a distance and making a bee-line to it.  I knew it would be mine and when he said 38-55 I about did a back flip.  It has been locked in a safe for well over 50 years!  

Thanks for the great news! 

Fred

  

Fred – To be clear, and to avoid any “matter of fact” type of statements, these are just my observations. Many of my entries in the survey are from online listings and its all based on good pictures.

Honestly, I don’t even list the rear sight positions in the spreadsheet since they always tracked as short wood=4″ sight position and long wood=5″ sight position. The only variance to that was a later observation that the early (~1904 and back) short wood rifles had a 3 1/2″ position on some of them. Maybe Bert has witnessed something different in all his survey work. 

  

Gary,

Good to know…thanks for the information!  ?

Couple more to check 122466 and 39514 

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Gary,

Good to know…thanks for the information!  ?

Couple more to check 122466 and 39514 

  

I have both of those listed, but…………….. I’m missing the caliber on 39514 since I pulled it from the Madis book and the caliber wasn’t listed. Can you help? …..and do you own both of these rifles?

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pdog72 said

Gary,

Good to know…thanks for the information!  ?

Couple more to check 122466 and 39514 

  

I have both of those listed, but…………….. I’m missing the caliber on 39514 since I pulled it from the Madis book and the caliber wasn’t listed. Can you help? …..and do you own both of these rifles?

  

The caliber on 39514 is 30 WCF.  I don’t own them.  They were interesting guns so I made note of them.  

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pdog72 said

Gary,

Good to know…thanks for the information!  ?

Couple more to check 122466 and 39514 

  

I have both of those listed, but…………….. I’m missing the caliber on 39514 since I pulled it from the Madis book and the caliber wasn’t listed. Can you help? …..and do you own both of these rifles?

  

Gary

I found a few more 288514…304487

LMK if you need more info on them 

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Gary

I found a few more 288514…304487

LMK if you need more info on them 

Fred

  

I’ve held 288514 and have notes on that one.

304487 is a new one. I’d be glad to add that one if you have some information. Thx.

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Hello, I’m new here. 

My father in law just gave this to me yesterday. Sweet little gun. Hard to find ammo for. I’d love to be able to shoot it. 

Does anyone know what kind of Value this would get? Not wanting to sell it at all, but curious. Plus insurance. It’s a Model 94 built in 1917, probably a 7.5/10 condition. No rust, minor scratches on the stock and forearm. It does shoot and cycle.

Thanks guys. Glad to have found this forum.

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Hello, I’m new here. 

My father in law just gave this to me yesterday. Sweet little gun. Hard to find ammo for. I’d love to be able to shoot it. 

Does anyone know what kind of Value this would get? Not wanting to sell it at all, but curious. Plus insurance. It’s a Model 94 built in 1917, probably a 7.5/10 condition. No rust, minor scratches on the stock and forearm. It does shoot and cycle.

Thanks guys. Glad to have found this forum.

(not sure how to add the picture, any suggestions?)

Pictures of the gun are a must (so that we can identify which specific variant that it is).  Start with the serial number (that will tell us exactly when it was manufactured).  

As a guest on the WACA website, you will need to upload your pictures to a photo host website, then post the URL to them here on the WACA forums.

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I would like add my 25-35 to the conversation, I have not been able to find this rifle anywhere in research. By reading this forum it appears to be somewhat unique with 21” barrel Any information would be helpful.

sn# 163452

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Mike,

Two observations,

Your Model 1894 actually has a 22-inch barrel (you did not measure the threaded shank section of the barrel).  The correct way to measure it is from the bolt face to the muzzle face.

The barrel on your Model 1894 is not factory original.  The (P) proof mark identifies it as a Mail Order replacement barrel.

S/N 163452 was manufactured in November 1902.  Winchester did not begin using the (P) proof marking until May 1913.

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Thanks Bert, (not arguing your professionalism) I wonder why looking up sn it says manufacturing is 1899 ? The p mark is interesting/ sucks because I would have never have suspected that 🤦‍♂️ live and learn. It will be a cool shooter. 
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Thanks Bert, (not arguing your professionalism) I wonder why looking up sn it says manufacturing is 1899 ? The p mark is interesting/ sucks because I would have never have suspected that 🤦‍♂️ live and learn. It will be a cool shooter. 

thanks again

mike  

Mike,

The reference source that you used to arrive at the 1899 date of manufactured is grossly in error.  If you want to know the exact date of manufacture as well as the original “as built” configuration, you might want to contact the Cody Firearms Museum (CFM) records office – Cody Firearms Records Office – Buffalo Bill Center of the West

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Thanks Bert, (not arguing your professionalism) I wonder why looking up sn it says manufacturing is 1899 ? The p mark is interesting/ sucks because I would have never have suspected that 🤦‍♂️ live and learn. It will be a cool shooter. 

thanks again

mike

  

A vast majority of info on the Winchesters is housed in the Cody Museum.  Go to the Resources tab on the top of the page then go to When Was My Gun Made.  Put in the serial number and model.  1902.

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DJShazaam22 said

Hello, I’m new here. 

My father in law just gave this to me yesterday. Sweet little gun. Hard to find ammo for. I’d love to be able to shoot it. 

Does anyone know what kind of Value this would get? Not wanting to sell it at all, but curious. Plus insurance. It’s a Model 94 built in 1917, probably a 7.5/10 condition. No rust, minor scratches on the stock and forearm. It does shoot and cycle.

Thanks guys. Glad to have found this forum.

(not sure how to add the picture, any suggestions?)

Pictures of the gun are a must (so that we can identify which specific variant that it is).  Start with the serial number (that will tell us exactly when it was manufactured).  

As a guest on the WACA website, you will need to upload your pictures to a photo host website, then post the URL to them here on the WACA forums.

Bert

  

Thanks Bert. I think that helped. I can upload more this evening.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/VqHqTFgFQLKkfCWE6

The serial is 848346

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DJShazaam22 said

Bert H. said

DJShazaam22 said

Hello, I’m new here. 

My father in law just gave this to me yesterday. Sweet little gun. Hard to find ammo for. I’d love to be able to shoot it. 

Does anyone know what kind of Value this would get? Not wanting to sell it at all, but curious. Plus insurance. It’s a Model 94 built in 1917, probably a 7.5/10 condition. No rust, minor scratches on the stock and forearm. It does shoot and cycle.

Thanks guys. Glad to have found this forum.

(not sure how to add the picture, any suggestions?)

Pictures of the gun are a must (so that we can identify which specific variant that it is).  Start with the serial number (that will tell us exactly when it was manufactured).  

As a guest on the WACA website, you will need to upload your pictures to a photo host website, then post the URL to them here on the WACA forums.

Bert

Thanks Bert. I think that helped. I can upload more this evening.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/VqHqTFgFQLKkfCWE6

The serial is 848346

S/N 848346 = April 2nd, 1917.

Unfortunately, what you have is a Sporting Rifle with a cut-down barrel and magazine tube.  Originally, the barrel was 26-inchs long and it had a full-length magazine.  Of further note, the sling mounts on it are aftermarket additions, and the rifle appears to have been refinished.  It is a “shooter” grade rifle.

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That is what I was afraid of. I wish it had the original magazine on it, but heck, a free gun, I will take any day. Thanks for looking into it for me.

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