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I have been looking for a 25-35 wcf Short Rifle for 15+ years.  Has anyone ever seen one or have one.  To see pictures would be great!  Octagon or round barrel does not matter.  

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I have (thus far) documented a total of (41) Model 1894 Short Rifles in the 25-35 WCF caliber in my research survey.

18″ = 1

20″ = 11

21″ = 1

22″ = 10

24″ = 18

 

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I have (thus far) documented a total of (41) Model 1894 Short Rifles in the 25-35 WCF caliber in my research survey.

18″ = 1

20″ = 11

21″ = 1

22″ = 10

24″ = 18

 

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Hey Bert

 

Thanks for the info.  You nay have already gotten this one this week from Ken but here is another one.  20″ octagon…take down…crescent butt…short fore arm…SN 627063

 

Thanks for the data I have a few others to add also when I get home later I’ll share with you.

 

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Hello Fred,

Ken contacted me yesterday morning with questions about s/n 627023 (which I had already documented in the research survey).

I will look forward to any others you have information for.

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Bert, Would you beable to share how many are take downs?  Thanks, RDB

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Bert, Would you beable to share how many are take downs?  Thanks, RDB

  

Sure… (23) of the (41) 25-35 WCF Short rifles are Take Downs.

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Thank you Bert.  Are most of them early enough to be documented and get a Winchester Letter?  RDB

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Thank you Bert.  Are most of them early enough to be documented and get a Winchester Letter?  RDB

  

None of them in my survey are in the letterable (documentable) serial number range.  My survey begins at serial number 354000.

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My mistake, I thought I had given you the information on my short rifle.  RDB

 

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My mistake, I thought I had given you the information on my short rifle.  RDB

 

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You probably gave it to Gary (Pdog72).

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Bert H. said

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Thank you Bert.  Are most of them early enough to be documented and get a Winchester Letter?  RDB

  

None of them in my survey are in the letterable (documentable) serial number range.  My survey begins at serial number 354000.

  

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The additional 1894 Short Rifles I have to share have SN that will letter.  Are you still interested in them for your survey?

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Thank you Bert.  Are most of them early enough to be documented and get a Winchester Letter?  RDB

None of them in my survey are in the letterable (documentable) serial number range.  My survey begins at serial number 354000.  

Bert

The additional 1894 Short Rifles I have to share have SN that will letter.  Are you still interested in them for your survey?

Fred  

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No, I am not interested in them for the survey I am conducting.  That stated Gary (Pdog72) is most likely interested in them.

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My mistake, I thought I had given you the information on my short rifle.  RDB

 

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You probably gave it to Gary (Pdog72).

  

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You gave me the information for 307292 quite a while back. I had the Lyman sights and a saddle scabbard in my notes.

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I have 51 short rifles in 25/35 listed in my survey. That said, anything other than 30 WCF is fairly scarce in an 1894/94 short rifle. 

Here’s the caliber breakdown of the rifles in my survey. 

Total 25-35 51 6.86%
Total 30 WCF 490 65.95%
Total 32 WS 94 12.65%
Total 32-40 33 4.44%
Total 38-55 75 10.09%
No cal. Listed 13 1.72%

I you have more to add to the survey, send me the serial numbers and I will see which ones I don’t already have. 

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I have 51 short rifles in 25/35 listed in my survey. That said, anything other than 30 WCF is fairly scarce in an 1894/94 short rifle. 

Here’s the caliber breakdown of the rifles in my survey. 

Total 25-35 51 6.86%
Total 30 WCF 490 65.95%
Total 32 WS 94 12.65%
Total 32-40 33 4.44%
Total 38-55 75 10.09%
No cal. Listed 13 1.72%

I you have more to add to the survey, send me the serial numbers and I will see which ones I don’t already have. 

  

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Here are the details of my 1894 Short Rifles as lettered:

SN 322984 

38-55 Caliber 

20″ Round Barrel 

.720 at muzzle 

4″ Sight dovetail 

9 3/8″ Forearm 

Rubber shotgun Butt

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SN 181841

30 WCF

20″ Octagon Barrel

.720 at muzzle 

4″ Sight Dovetail 

8 3/8″ Forearm 

Cresent Butt

Thank you

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I have 51 short rifles in 25/35 listed in my survey. That said, anything other than 30 WCF is fairly scarce in an 1894/94 short rifle. 

Here’s the caliber breakdown of the rifles in my survey. 

Total 25-35 51 6.86%
Total 30 WCF 490 65.95%
Total 32 WS 94 12.65%
Total 32-40 33 4.44%
Total 38-55 75 10.09%
No cal. Listed 13 1.72%

I you have more to add to the survey, send me the serial numbers and I will see which ones I don’t already have. 

  

Gary,

Here are the details of my 1894 Short Rifles as lettered:

SN 322984 

38-55 Caliber 

20″ Round Barrel 

.720 at muzzle 

4″ Sight dovetail 

9 3/8″ Forearm 

Rubber shotgun Butt

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SN 181841

30 WCF

20″ Octagon Barrel

.720 at muzzle 

4″ Sight Dovetail 

8 3/8″ Forearm 

Cresent Butt

Thank you

Fred

  

Thanks for the information, Fred. I already had 181841, with a full magazine.

For 322984, is this a full mag as well?  Also, are you sure the sight dovetail is 4″? If so, this will be the first one I’ve ever found with long wood and the 4″ rear sight. They have been 5″ 100% of the time with long wood. Please confirm. 

Good luck looking or a 25-35 or 32-40. I only have one of each of those in a ’94 short rifle. 

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pdog72 said

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pdog72 said

I have 51 short rifles in 25/35 listed in my survey. That said, anything other than 30 WCF is fairly scarce in an 1894/94 short rifle. 

Here’s the caliber breakdown of the rifles in my survey. 

Total 25-35 51 6.86%
Total 30 WCF 490 65.95%
Total 32 WS 94 12.65%
Total 32-40 33 4.44%
Total 38-55 75 10.09%
No cal. Listed 13 1.72%

I you have more to add to the survey, send me the serial numbers and I will see which ones I don’t already have. 

  

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Here are the details of my 1894 Short Rifles as lettered:

SN 322984 

38-55 Caliber 

20″ Round Barrel 

.720 at muzzle 

4″ Sight dovetail 

9 3/8″ Forearm 

Rubber shotgun Butt

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SN 181841

30 WCF

20″ Octagon Barrel

.720 at muzzle 

4″ Sight Dovetail 

8 3/8″ Forearm 

Cresent Butt

Thank you

Fred

  

Thanks for the information, Fred. I already had 181841, with a full magazine.

For 322984, is this a full mag as well?  Also, are you sure the sight dovetail is 4″? If so, this will be the first one I’ve ever found with long wood and the 4″ rear sight. They have been 5″ 100% of the time with long wood. Please confirm. 

Good luck looking or a 25-35 or 32-40. I only have one of each of those in a ’94 short rifle. 

  

Gary,

This is stellar information to hear not only for me but all SR enthusiasts!  322984 is a full magazine…long forearm…4″ Sight dovetail!  Also with a shot gun butt in 38-55 caliber!  This may very well be a one of a kind special order 1894.  I am so happy to get this information!  The gun is in incredible condition!  The highest condition SR I have ever laid eyes on.  I bought it 15+ years ago from an old timer at the Baltimore antique arms show.  I’ll never forget seeing it for the first time on his table from a distance and making a bee-line to it.  I knew it would be mine and when he said 38-55 I about did a back flip.  It has been locked in a safe for well over 50 years!  

Thanks for the great news! 

Fred

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Gary,

This is stellar information to hear not only for me but all SR enthusiasts!  322984 is a full magazine…long forearm…4″ Sight dovetail!  Also with a shot gun butt in 38-55 caliber!  This may very well be a one of a kind special order 1894.  I am so happy to get this information!  The gun is in incredible condition!  The highest condition SR I have ever laid eyes on.  I bought it 15+ years ago from an old timer at the Baltimore antique arms show.  I’ll never forget seeing it for the first time on his table from a distance and making a bee-line to it.  I knew it would be mine and when he said 38-55 I about did a back flip.  It has been locked in a safe for well over 50 years!  

Thanks for the great news! 

Fred

  

Fred – To be clear, and to avoid any “matter of fact” type of statements, these are just my observations. Many of my entries in the survey are from online listings and its all based on good pictures.

Honestly, I don’t even list the rear sight positions in the spreadsheet since they always tracked as short wood=4″ sight position and long wood=5″ sight position. The only variance to that was a later observation that the early (~1904 and back) short wood rifles had a 3 1/2″ position on some of them. Maybe Bert has witnessed something different in all his survey work. 

Here’s a link to an earlier post with some info on the 3 1/2″ position. I said 1900 in that post but later found one I had owned from 1904.

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Thanks Henry. Yes, I have both of those ……. among a few others you’ve shared over the years.

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