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25-20, 14" barrel, Trapper
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New to the forum, so not sure how to start this but here it goes.  I have two 14″ short rifles (Trappers, is what I have also heard them called) and currently working to obtain the Exemption Cert from the ATF, since they are under 16″‘s.  Latest correspondence with a Cody Firearms Records Specialist informs me that they are not able to confirm these were originally configuration of this pieces. 

I am concerned that if I don’t have this documentation, the ATF will not provide me the certificate.  Does anyone have experience in this type of issue or advice for me.  thanks  

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I am concerned that if I don’t have this documentation, the ATF will not provide me the certificate.  Does anyone have experience in this type of issue or advice for me.  thanks  

Yes, I do have experience with assisting collectors (owners) of NFA firearms getting them cleared by the BATF.  In the past few years, I have provided letters of authentication for (3) short-barreled Winchester lever-actions that have been successfully cleared.  If you are interested, contact me via email.

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jmikel said
New to the forum, so not sure how to start this but here it goes.  I have two 14″ short rifles (Trappers, is what I have also heard them called) and currently working to obtain the Exemption Cert from the ATF, since they are under 16″‘s.  Latest correspondence with a Cody Firearms Records Specialist informs me that they are not able to confirm these were originally configuration of this pieces. 

I am concerned that if I don’t have this documentation, the ATF will not provide me the certificate.  Does anyone have experience in this type of issue or advice for me.  thanks  

  

Do you mean Cody didn’t have a record of the rifles, or they were in the ledger and the ledger didn’t confirm the barrel length?

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Does the ATF already know you have these?  If so I highly recommend that you call Bert.  If you can’t prove they are as originally manufactured they may confiscate them. Selling them now may be an illegal sale.

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jmikel said
New to the forum, so not sure how to start this but here it goes.  I have two 14″ short rifles (Trappers, is what I have also heard them called) and currently working to obtain the Exemption Cert from the ATF, since they are under 16″‘s.  Latest correspondence with a Cody Firearms Records Specialist informs me that they are not able to confirm these were originally configuration of this pieces. 

I am concerned that if I don’t have this documentation, the ATF will not provide me the certificate.  Does anyone have experience in this type of issue or advice for me.  thanks  

  

Hello,

Do you have photos of the rifles that you can send me?   I also will be happy to help.  During my work on a research survey of the Model 1892’s I have looked at close to 20,000 rifles so I have a pretty good idea of what an original rifle should look like.  Based on my work so far there are NO 14 inch rifles or saddle ring carbines with 14 inch barrels that are chambered for 25-20 WCF.  By far the most common is 44 WCF.

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I saw 2 Marlin 1894s, 15″ at different auctions and both were out of factory records range, I had paid for them before asking if cleared, with paperwork. First refunded payment, and sent the gun to ATF, was returned in 5wks with letter clearing it, owner contacted me and offered it before putting back up for sale, I couldn’t write the check fast enough. The second one offered refund or they would just send to ATF and refund later, if it didn’t pass, if it did they would put it in their next auction. I took the gamble, and told them I’ll wait, they had a lot of good pics and I knew it was right. I got lucky

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