Log In
Members
Home
Add Reply
Add Topic
Online
Is there anything specific to look for when buying this vintage rifle. The barrel is bright blue, the action is dull blue the high comb stock is a very dull finish like no finish. The front sight is missing the hood. Rifle looks to be in very good condition except the butt plate has some corrosion.
November 5, 2014
Offline
Hi Chuck-
I can’t say much w/o photos of the rifle in question…
In 1952, a 270 Winchester Model 70 (assuming Standard Grade, not Super Grade) could have either an NRA style low comb stock (G7003C) or a Monte Carlo stock (G7033CN). The 270 Winchester Featherweight didn’t appear until 1955 and the 270 Winchester Target Model was last cataloged in 1949 (IIRC)…
If original, the rifle would probably have a type III-2 action. If a (then-new) Monte Carlo, it would have a (low) Marbles 69 folding rear sight and Win 103E (0.360″ tall) front sight. If a low comb NRA style stock it would either have a Win 22G/Win 103C combo OR a (low) Win 22K/Win 103E sight pairing. Lots of overlap there (1952-1954)…
Regarding what you asked… Barrels were Du-Lite blued and would probably have a Style 3C barrel roll mark (“270 WIN. –” one-piece die versus the Style 3A “270 W.C.F. ” two piece die). Some overlap possible but the Style 3C came along in 1950 so most by this date are that way… Despite the Style 3C roll mark, the barrel would probably have an integral/milled front sight ramp. Receivers were bead blasted (dull) Du-lite blue.
So there’s not much to look at except guessing originality of finish, but I’d need pics… 
Good Luck!!!
Lou
Here are a couple examples… First a (1957) Monte Carlo 270 WIN Standard. This is a later gun and has a special order stainless barrel. Also the Lyman 16B rear sight that replaced the Marrbles 69 circa 1954…
Next is a late NRA style 270 WIN (1955)… This one has the (low) 22K/Win 103E combo…
WACA 9519; Studying Pre-64 Model 70 Winchesters
Lou,
I am certain that we don’t mention it often enough since most of us are just “lurkers” here on the WACA forum but we all REALLY APPRECIATE the time you spend with your lengthy and detailed responses to questions! Even though you may only get feedback from the original poster you are helping us all with your generously shared knowledge and time – THANKS!
Best Regards,
WACA Life Member #6284 - Specializing in Pre-64 Winchester .22 Rimfire
November 5, 2014
Offline
Hi Jeff-
NOBODY here can match your level of Winchester scholarship. But me and Bert (and some few others) would like to try!!! No offense Bert, just IMHO… 
We all do a lot of this both on- and off-line… Keep up the good work!!!
Lou
WACA 9519; Studying Pre-64 Model 70 Winchesters
JWA said
Lou,I am certain that we don’t mention it often enough since most of us are just “lurkers” here on the WACA forum but we all REALLY APPRECIATE the time you spend with your lengthy and detailed responses to questions! Even though you may only get feedback from the original poster you are helping us all with your generously shared knowledge and time – THANKS!
Best Regards,
Well said–I second that. Thanks Lou!
Don
I to agree whole heartedly. I don’t have anything to contribute, not that smart, but really enjoy reading the questions and answers. It does amaze me the knowledge that the guys here possess and I have learned a bundle. Also the willingness to share their knowledge. RRM
November 5, 2014
Offline
Thanks Bob…
That stainless barrel 270 WIN was one of Vic Van Ballenberghe’s… It’s been used… My flat light photos always seem to make my guns look better in pictures than they really are…
I think you know this, but there appears to have been a batch of stainless barrel 270s made in the 320,000 to 360,000 range, as though the factory did a fair sized run of such barrels in 1955 (???). Almost enough to make one believe the “story” about these guns being made on special order for an oil company doing exploration in South America… There are a couple in the 240,000 range and a couple in the 420,000 range, but (10) in the 300,000s. No others in the survey so far…
Back to trying to help answer Chuck’s question… I do not have a 1952 Monte Carlo 270 WIN, but I do have a correct 1952 Monte Carlo 257 ROBERTS (S/N 216122). This one has all the features I was describing above, e.g. Marbles folding sight, Style 3C roll mark, integral ramp, etc. It’s just the wrong caliber…
Hope this helps…
Lou
WACA 9519; Studying Pre-64 Model 70 Winchesters
I would like to offer my gratitude as well. There is a select group of members who consistently compile and share their expertise/research day in and day out. Rest assured that daily lurkers such as myself know who you are and hold you in the highest regard for your generous efforts.
Thank you!
Ned
Well said!
We have all benefited from the efforts of others, and I for one, am truly grateful.
And just so I might add a wee bit of visual interest to my post, here are a few of my Winchester Model 70 and Model 52 rifles. (Beware: there are a few rifles from Ilion in there also.)
BRP
November 5, 2014
Offline
Hi BRP-
I LIKE THAT!!! Model 70 Target rifles are my favorites!!! Especially pre-wars and the first year Target Models with the front sight ramp… I like them better than Carbines and Super Grades for sure…
Remember, we’re adding to the survey a little every day… Hint… Information is confidential and owner’s identities are not recorded on the survey spreadsheet. Probably 10% of the 21,000+ survey entries to date have come from WACA members… My personal THANKS to all who have contributed!!!
Lou
P.S. We’ve got a couple Model 70 articles in the works for the Collector that draw on survey data…
WACA 9519; Studying Pre-64 Model 70 Winchesters
Louis,
I will PM you soon with particulars on the M-70 Target rifles. I have Bull Guns in both calibers, and a National Match in there as well.
BRP
Blue Ridge Parson said
Well said!We have all benefited from the efforts of others, and I for one, am truly grateful.
And just so I might add a wee bit of visual interest to my post, here are a few of my Winchester Model 70 and Model 52 rifles. (Beware: there are a few rifles from Ilion in there also.)
BRP
YES!!! That’s a great photo! The target rifles are my favorites as well.
Now I feel the need to throw in a couple photos
. A nice pair of .257 Roberts targets. M54 & Pre War 70.
Lois, Yes, We discussed the Model 70 .270 Stainless Steel barrel guns, and the South American Oil Company before. It is a nice story, don’t know if it is true or not though. I believe it is a urban legion, don’t know how it got started. Maybe someday we will get to the bottom of it! 1ned1 that Model 54 Target in .257 Roberts is kind of a rare bird. Not many know how rare a .220 Swift, or a .257 Roberts is in a Model 54. They were introduced in 1935, and the Model 54 was about done with production in 1936.
Louis Luttrell said
Hi BRP-I LIKE THAT!!!
Remember, we’re adding to the survey a little every day… Hint…
Lou
P.S. We’ve got a couple Model 70 articles in the works for the Collector that draw on survey data…
Hi Lou,
This thread made me think.
I don’t know if you have noticed the substantial number of M70m target rifles coming out of the CMP of late. You probably have. But just in case, I’ve attached some screen grabs. I included the old auction results as well, going back to 2014. I had to add some of the numbers manually on a few of the older ones
Notice how many are within just a few, or very close serial numbers of one another.
Most are from a period when there was a sizable uptick in military marksmanship.
Ned
Yes, I’m another LL, who appreciates very much you and all who go in depth & time to clarify what those like me don’t know much about! Thanks Very Much!
November 5, 2014
Offline
Hi Ned-
I’ve picked up quite a few CMP M70s for the survey recently (courtesy of seewin), but I’ll check all these. I’m sure there are several I don’t have!!!
I love the 257 ROBERTS Target rifles!!! I’m also a big fan of your photography!!! Bob’s certainly right that these are not exactly common guns… I’ll toss in a couple M70 1st variation Target rifles from my collection. You know (but others may not) that these are the M70 target rifles made with M54 Target rifle barrel blanks, hence with integral front sight ramp.
These are S/Ns 3339 (257 ROBERTS), 3789 (30 GOV’T’06) and 3374 (220 SWIFT). I do not have Target rifles (ramped or otherwise) in 22 HORNET, 250-3000 SAV, 7 M/M, or 300 MAGNUM. But hope springs eternal!!!
Lou
WACA 9519; Studying Pre-64 Model 70 Winchesters
Louis Luttrell said
Back to trying to help answer Chuck’s question… I do not have a 1952 Monte Carlo 270 WIN, but I do have a correct 1952 Monte Carlo 257 ROBERTS (S/N 216122). This one has all the features I was describing above, e.g. Marbles folding sight, Style 3C roll mark, integral ramp, etc. It’s just the wrong caliber…
Hope this helps
Lou
It looks like this one. Except the wood has no sheen. It is missing the plug screws in the barrel and the sight hood. It has a Straight Shooter sling. I will try to get some pictures. Ser #214577.
JWA said
Lou,I am certain that we don’t mention it often enough since most of us are just “lurkers” here on the WACA forum but we all REALLY APPRECIATE the time you spend with your lengthy and detailed responses to questions! Even though you may only get feedback from the original poster you are helping us all with your generously shared knowledge and time – THANKS!
Best Regards,
A lot of great posts here, as I can agree, and am also very grateful! 
Thanks
Anthony
1 Guest(s)
