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How prevalent is the proof mark on # 306366 in this location? Thanks, Big Larry
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Larry,
The barrel proof location in front of the rear sight is fairly common on Model 1892 SRC’s. But it is not consistent in its use. I have seen identical carbines close to each other in the SN range have this placement and the other have the barrel proof to the right, or behind, the rear sight.
It appears that the "preferred" location of the barrel proof was close to the receiver. On some 1892 in 25-20 caliber the caliber stamp is done in two lines and the proof stamp located between the caliber stamp and the rear sight. I have also documented 2 44 caliber carbines with the proof under the stamp and one 38 caliber with the proof above the stamp.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
Looking at my Winchester book, it states these are found in the 240,000 range and this M1894 is much higher. This carbine also has no provision for the front mag. screw to go all the way through. Beautiful carbine, at least 95%. Thanks, Big Larry
Larry,
Based on my own research, "The Winchester Book" is not accurate. I have not found a single example with a serial number below yours.
I my research survey, I have recorded five Model 1894 SRCs with the barrel proof mark stamped in front of the rear sight. The serial numbers are as follows; 325628, 327004, 344706, 369166, and 371436, which runs from November 1906 to October 1907. Your SRC is now the earliest serial number verified with the barrel proof mark in the forward position. As Michael mentioned for the Model 1892, the Model 1894 is also inconsistently marked from one gun to the next.
Model 1894 SRC serial number 344706 is doubly interesting in that it also has the August 14th patent date error marking.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert wrote:
I my research survey, I have recorded five Model 1894 SRCs with the barrel proof mark stamped in front of the rear sight.
I am surprised that there are so few. In comparison, I have recorded 64 Model 1892’s with that barrel proof stamp position.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
Michael,
The majority of the Model 1894s in that serial range are Sporting Rifles versus SRCs. In my survey of the upper tang marking types, the Type-2 tang marking begins at serial number 223,000 and runs to approximately 450,000. That range covers all of Patent date error guns, and all of those with the proof mark stamp on the forward side of the rear sight. In that serial number range, I have thus far recorded (148) Rifles vs. just (37) Carbines. Six of those (37) Carbines have the proof mark in forward position.
What is the ratio of Carbines versus Sporting Rifles in your survey in the associated serial number range?
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Here’s the whole carbine, Pretty nice for 108 years old. Thanks Bert. Big Larry
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Letter for my carbine. It is an old letter that does not show the PR. Bert, may I impose on you again? Thanks, Big Larry
Big Larry said
Letter for my carbine. It is an old letter that does not show the PR. Bert, may I impose on you again? Thanks, Big Larry
I must have goofed. Here is the letter. Big Larry
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Hedley Lamarr said
Sharp looking carbine Big Larry.Brad
Thanks Brad. It is a keeper. Big Larry
Bert Wrote:
The majority of the Model 1894s in that serial range are Sporting Rifles versus SRCs. In my survey of the upper tang marking types, the Type-2 tang marking begins at serial number 223,000 and runs to approximately 450,000. That range covers all of Patent date error guns, and all of those with the proof mark stamp on the forward side of the rear sight. In that serial number range, I have thus far recorded (148) Rifles vs. just (37) Carbines. Six of those (37) Carbines have the proof mark in forward position.
What is the ratio of Carbines versus Sporting Rifles in your survey in the associated serial number range?
The SN range of 223,000 to 450,000 begins a full year (mid 1904) before Winchester started proof marking the 1894’s in mid 1905. SN 450,000 is pretty much the end of 1909 for 1894’s. By that time the caliber stamps on the 1892’s had been rotated to the left side of the barrel so all barrel proof stamps are located on the top immediately in front of the receiver. A more accurate range of comparison for the 1894 would be SN 275000 to 400,000 or about 100,000 fewer rifles. In the comparable SN time period for the 1892’s (SN 300,000 to 430,000) I have recorded a total of 653 rifles. Of those, 468 are sporting rifles leaving 185 as carbines. As stated previously, 64 of those or 34% have the barrel proof forward of the rear sight. So for the Model 1892 the proof mark position is fairly common as a part of the carbine population. I would expect the same for the 1894’s.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
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