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D03C4B86-BD3C-4DAB-BE3B-9ED487CCA35C.jpegImage EnlargerCE034EDB-903D-4707-AC45-582C69B9A3E3.jpegImage EnlargerAny carved in stone idea when this type of buttplate was introduced ?  What I nick name Model 55 style ? On a 1914 eastern carbine 2/3 mag .  Bert ?  . Thx 

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Are you sure that it is a 1914 production Carbine?

Winchester introduced the serrated steel style shotgun butt plate in June 1924, and it was the standard butt plate on the Models 53, 54, and 55.  It became an optional butt plate on a few other models (namely the Model 94 Carbines) at the same time, and then became the standard butt plate on the Model 94 in June of 1937.  Winchester finally discontinued it when Post WW II production resumed.  

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Are you sure that it is a 1914 production Carbine?

Winchester introduced the serrated steel style shotgun butt plate in June 1924, and it was the standard butt plate on the Models 53, 54, and 55.  It became an optional butt plate on a few other models (namely the Model 94 Carbines) at the same time, and then became the standard butt plate on the Model 94 in June of 1937.  Winchester finally discontinued it when Post WW II production resumed.  

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E7533AC6-911A-4922-8AFC-E9EEF4727CCD.jpegImage EnlargerOk so when did this type of comb come out ? Possible hard rubber buttplate got broken ? And replaced w steel ? No extra holes in wood under plate . 

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E7533AC6-911A-4922-8AFC-E9EEF4727CCD.jpegImage EnlargerOk so when did this type of comb come out ? Possible hard rubber buttplate got broken ? And replaced w steel ? No extra holes in wood under plate . 

  

The Whelen style Fluted Comb butt stock was introduced at the same time as the serrated steel shotgun butt plate.

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I just looked through my survey, and low and behold, there are several other Model 1894s in the same serial number range as your Eastern Carbine that have a Fluted Comb butt stock with a serrated steel shotgun butt plate.  It appears that Winchester may have introduced them as a special order item at some point in 1913 before they made them standard in 1924 on several different models.

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Also, it was used on the Wichester 75 Sporting rifle from 1938-1961.

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Holy newt . I had given up on the possible originality . It fit so perfectly wood / metal and grunge in and under metal indicated there for a long long time .  Thx !!! Appreciate the efforts 

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Bert H. said
I just looked through my survey, and low and behold, there are several other Model 1894s in the same serial number range as your Eastern Carbine that have a Fluted Comb butt stock with a serrated steel shotgun butt plate.  It appears that Winchester may have introduced them as a special order item at some point in 1913 before they made them standard in 1924 on several different models.

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Bert, good catch.  This particular configuration, eastern carbine, the fluted comb with shotgun butt, and shorter 2/3 magazine is commonly seen in the 1913-1914 range, most often in 32WS.  See them time to time at the shows, pretty handy configuration.  I had a straight grip checked semi-deluxe carbine at one time that had the fluted comb, hard rubber butt, but full length carbine magazine (32WS) mfg in 1913, but it had a saddle ring. 

As far as your survey goes Bert, is the steel buttplate the more common or is there a mix between the steel and the hard rubber?.  Ive seen them with both but was wondering if there is a trend from one to the other, and for what duration does this particular carbine configuration persist, past 1915?   What about the calibers, are they mostly 32WS and 30WCF? 

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Chris,

In answer to your first question;

The below table is derived from my current research survey.  As of today I have 9,105 Model 1894s documented in this stated S/N range, and the numbers below include both “Rifles” and “Carbines”.

Non-standard Butt Plates (serial range 354000 – 1079689)
Type Qty Found Percent of Total Est. Qty in S/N range
Crescent Trap Door 20 0.22% 1,594
Hard Rubber SB 466 5.12% 37,141
Smooth Steel SB 102 1.12% 8,130
Serrated Steel SB 89 0.98% 7,094
M1897 BP 76 0.83% 6,057
Red Rubber Recoil Pad 6 0.07% 478
Total 739 8.12% 58,900

The serrated steel butt plates are relatively uncommon from 1913 through 1922 (only 14 documented thus far), but they are much more common beginning in 1925.  They are equally common in 30 WCF (6) and 32 WS (5), with the 25-35 and 38-55 making up the remainder.

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I have a 1894 that was manufactured in 1948  I’m trying to find out some information on the correct buttplate so I can purchase one that is correct for that carbine.  It has a recoil pad that someone added in the past.  In Pirkle’s book he states that it should be a “Type 3” buttplate which is almost flat, checkered and should have 15 diamonds across the center.  I am finding “original” pre 64 buttplates for sale but they have 19 or 20 diamonds across the center.  Is the 15 diamonds more incorrect information in Pirkle’s book or are the buttplates I’m seeing not correct “original” buttplates? 

Anybody have a 1948 era (1948 to 1963) 1894 with an original butt plate that could post a detailed picture of the buttplate?? 

I would appreciate any help with this.

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Randy,

The attached picture is the butt plate you need.  It was found on all Model 94 Carbines that were manufactured from early 1946 through 1963.

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Hi Bert, rnI purchased a Model 1894 Winchester Model 94, serial number 27997, 32 win spl, serial number would have been before the 32 was made, any thoughts on vintage?  Thanks, greatly appreciated.  [email protected]  I have pictures I could send, thanks again.rnJohnrn 

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Hi Bert, rnI purchased a Model 1894 Winchester Model 94, serial number 27997, 32 win spl, serial number would have been before the 32 was made, any thoughts on vintage?  Thanks, greatly appreciated.  [email protected]  I have pictures I could send, thanks again.rnJohnrn 

  

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Based solely on the serial number on your Model 1894, it is too early for it to be an original 32 W.S.  Serial number 27997 was manufactured in October 1897.  The first 32 W.S. was not manufactured until October of 1901.

With that stated, it is possible that your Model 1894 was returned to Winchester for a new barrel sometime after October 1901.  You will need to obtain a factory letter from the Cody Firearms Museum (CFM) records office to determine if it was returned & reworked.

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Hi Bert, 

 

Not sure if you’re still writing on here. But recently got my grandfathers 1894 Winchester .32 ws its a 1919 year. Needs a factory butt plate put on but I don’t know what kind was from factory.

 

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Hi Bert, 

Not sure if you’re still writing on here. But recently got my grandfathers 1894 Winchester .32 ws its a 1919 year. Needs a factory butt plate put on but I don’t know what kind was from factory.

Thank you  

Without knowing which specific variation that your Model 1894 is, it is not possible to say which type of butt plate should or could have been put on it when it was manufactured.  The configuration of the butt stock will provide the information needed to answer your question.  If you can, post a pictures or two of the butt stock (side view and end view).

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It will not let me post pictures. It’s just a regular 1894 carbine. No saddle ring. Nothing out of the ordinary. Just a stock 1894 missing butt plate 

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Colton said rnIt will not let me post pictures. It’s just a regular 1894 carbine. No saddle ring. Nothing out of the ordinary. Just a stock 1894 missing butt plate rn  rnThe year is 1919. Called winchester yesterday to confirm serial number

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Since you are a guest you have to post your pictures on a 3rd party host site and then put the link to them on this site.

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Colton said rnIt will not let me post pictures. It’s just a regular 1894 carbine. No saddle ring. Nothing out of the ordinary. Just a stock 1894 missing butt plate rn  rnThe year is 1919. Called winchester yesterday to confirm serial number

  

If you called “Winchester”, you were given incorrect information.  What is the serial number on your Carbine?  The vast majority of the pre 1925 Model 1894 Carbines were SRCs.

Can you send the pictures to my email address – [email protected] ?

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