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1894 barrel length
December 31, 2019
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I have just tried to letter an 1894 rifle in 32-40. It has a four didgit serial number, making it first year production. The letter did not mention the length of the barrel.I t now has a 21 1/2" round barrel. The owner claims it is an original 22" barrel. The magazine tube ends 3 1/2" from the forend, which seems right for the 22" barrel length. Question is, should the barrel be a fast tapered barrel? & would the no mention of barrel length in the letter mean this gun had a 26" rifle barrel when it left the factory? Trying to justify the cost before I make the plunge, thanks, Jim.

December 31, 2019
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Jim,

If the barrel length is not stated in the letter it should have standard length for that model which is 26" for a rifle.

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December 31, 2019
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If the letter does not mention barrel length or the short magazine tube, it was most likely shipped as a standard 26".  

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As was stated if the factory letter does not mention bbl. or mag. length. it should be standard length A couple of questions though, what makes You say "first Year Production" do You mean 1894 or 1895, without a ser# that's hard to determine, and did You indicate it has a rapid taper bbl.? 21 1/2"is not a proper length for a 22" bbl.. Without seeing it, I would be willing to bet its been modified. You also didn't indicate asking price or is this an auction gun or ???? Anyway tread carefully,You're on the right track asking lots of questions . Good luck

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The serial # search data will say a lot. First variation are pre serial 5000, but not all. Mine is pre ser 5000 but DOM is 1895. I have to agree there are some bright red flags here.

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How did you measure the barrel? 

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January 1, 2020
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AG said
The serial # search data will say a lot. First variation are pre serial 5000, but not all. Mine is pre ser 5000 but DOM is 1895. I have to agree there are some bright red flags here.

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My serial # is 5782. Number applied August 10, 1895. Shipped from Warehouse Aug. 23, 1895. 32-40, rifle, round barrel, plain trigger. This is all the info given for this rifle. It must have been made some time in 1894, right? Madis book says over 14,000 made the first year.

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It was not made in 1894, per the letter it was made Aug 10 1895. The date the serial number was applied to the unfinished receiver.

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1873man said
It was not made in 1894, per the letter it was made Aug 10 1895. The date the serial number was applied to the unfinished receiver.

Bob  

OK, explain the difference between 1894 production & 1895? 14,759 guns in 1894. How would you justify the 1895 date? The gun sat in inventory till 1895? Why would that low of a serial # be used that late? Just a little confusing, Jim.

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jamned said

OK, explain the difference between 1894 production & 1895? 14,759 guns in 1894. How would you justify the 1895 date? The gun sat in inventory till 1895? Why would that low of a serial # be used that late? Just a little confusing, Jim.  

There were actually very few (Red Book says 1674) 1894’s made in 1894. Madis did not have access to the records we use today.

 

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Jim,

There were only 1674 guns made in 1894

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Red book? Where do I get one?

January 1, 2020
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Amazon, Ebay or Abebooks. Its a gun value book for Winchesters and in the back it has production numbers for each year.

https://www.amazon.com/Red-Book-Winchester-Values-4th/dp/0692476806

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Bought one off Ebay, 31.80. I have seen this book before, just didn"t check it out!

 

So are there production numbers to rely on for all models?

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Bought one off Ebay, 31.80. I have seen this book before, just didn"t check it out!

 

So are there production numbers to rely on for all models?  

It's jam packed full of information you will appreciate.

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Any of the serial numbers that are from the polishing room records where the serial number applied date is from are in bold in the lists.

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I bought Larry Shennum's entire inventory to help him out. I’ve sold all his guns, gear and reloading equipment.

Use eBay. Best for buying and helps me out. Price knocked down to near cost.

Larry is fighting Parkinson’s and is my friend and neighbor. I’ve got many, many books.

Best Offer price is set at $30 with free shipping.

Your support is appreciated !

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jamned said

 Madis book says over 14,000 made the first year.  

Madis' info has been proven to have errors.  Use the Resources tab at the top of the page (when was my gun made).  This information comes straight from the Winchester records at the Cody Museum.  The Red book is a great resource.

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Madis did not have access to the records we use today.

 

Mike  

That may not be true??

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Blueliner said
I bought Larry Shennum's entire inventory to help him out. I’ve sold all his guns, gear and reloading equipment.

Use eBay. Best for buying and helps me out. Price knocked down to near cost.

Larry is fighting Parkinson’s and is my friend and neighbor. I’ve got many, many books.

Best Offer price is set at $30 with free shipping.

Your support is appreciated !

Bill Coppock

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Bill I just bought three copies via ebay for my Dad, myself and a another buddy. You dont have any choke tubes for a Model 42 in his stuff? 

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Blueliner said
I bought Larry Shennum's entire inventory to help him out. I’ve sold all his guns, gear and reloading equipment.

Use eBay. Best for buying and helps me out. Price knocked down to near cost.

Larry is fighting Parkinson’s and is my friend and neighbor. I’ve got many, many books.

Best Offer price is set at $30 with free shipping.

Your support is appreciated !

Bill Coppock

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Thanks Bill.  I just purchased a copy.

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