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Anyone got a good picture of the barrel of a 94 or 92 that has been threaded for a silencer? Thanks.
I have a few of them but am away from my image files. I will try to load them tomorrow.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
Brian,
The pictures you posted do not look like a factory threaded barrel for a Maxim silencer.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
I picked up a very cool gun the other day. Heres the letter info:
Serial number applied on August 21, 1900
Type: Rifle
Caliber: 30
Barrel Type: 1/2 Octagon
Barrel Length: 22 inches
Extra Light
Trigger: Plain
1/2 Magazine
Shotgun Butt Rubber Butt Plate
Takedown
Received in warehouse on September 15, 1900
Shipped from warehouse on September 15, 1900, Order number 70710
The only problem is the threaded barrel. Since it was made in 1900 and the Maxim silencer wasn’t made till 1908ish then it would be impossible to get a letter even if it were sent back to be done so???
Mike,
I edited your post to clean up the scattered pictures.
In answer to your question, if this rifle had been sent back to Winchester to be altered for a Maxim silence, there would be an "R&R" entry in the factory ledger and on the CFM letter.
In my opinion, the barrel on your ELW was not threaded by Winchester.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert – how rare is it for a threaded muzzle to be noted in the factory records. I used to have two model 86’s which were threaded and had the knurled nuts – they sure looked right – both were very high condition deluxe rifles and lettered except for the threaded barrels – both were blued frame guns, one in 45-70 and the other a 33, both manufactured as I recall about 1905. I would probably still own at least one of them if the records would have noted the threaded muzzle. I really don’t know much about them and there are just a couple of small references to them in the Madis books. If anyone has a letter with a threaded muzzle notation, posting it would be appreciated.
Bert, you could be right as this gun did not letter with the silencer. I have had two other guns, an ’86 (.33) no mention in the letter and model 1894 (.30WCF) that the previous owner said that it was a family gun and was ordered from Winchester with the silencer but when I lettered the gun again no mention of the silencer. I would be interested in seeing a letter also stating factory installed silencer.
Burt Humphrey said
Bert – how rare is it for a threaded muzzle to be noted in the factory records. I used to have two model 86’s which were threaded and had the knurled nuts – they sure looked right – both were very high condition deluxe rifles and lettered except for the threaded barrels – both were blued frame guns, one in 45-70 and the other a 33, both manufactured as I recall about 1905. I would probably still own at least one of them if the records would have noted the threaded muzzle. I really don’t know much about them and there are just a couple of small references to them in the Madis books. If anyone has a letter with a threaded muzzle notation, posting it would be appreciated.
Burt,
To the best of my knowledge, there is just one Model 1894 serial number that letters with a Maxim silencer. There are a handful of Model 1885 low-wall rifles (in .22 rim fire) that were made with one. I have not examined the Model 1890 ledgers, but I suspect that there are a few listed there as well. I would be somewhat surprised to see a Model 1886 that letters with that feature.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
I take it Teddy Roosevelt’s Model 94 with silencer doesn’t letter?
Maverick
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maverick said
I take it Teddy Roosevelt’s Model 94 with silencer doesn’t letter?Maverick
That is the specific "one" Model 1894 that does letter.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Burt
Correct me if I wrong, but I believe that Winchesters that were threaded for silencers had the interrupted thread, very much like the TD threads.
Mike Hunter said
BurtCorrect me if I wrong, but I believe that Winchesters that were threaded for silencers had the interrupted thread, very much like the TD threads.
Mike,
That is correct to the best of my knowledge. Those that I have seen that were factory original all had interrupted threads, allowing the Maxim to be installed with a simple 1/4 turn.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
mikec said
What would the uninterrupted threads be for?
Mike,
Just like on a Take Down rifle, the interrupted threads allow you to install/remove the barrel (or in this case the silencer) with a simple 1/4 turn twist.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
mikec said
The Un – interrupted threads?
I suppose the un-interrupted threads would permit a tighter torque so the silencer would be less likely to come loose, although you can do this with interrupted threads as well. Perhaps the un-interrumpted threads are just a sign that the work was not likely to be factory?
mikec said
The Un – interrupted threads?
Mike,
Sorry, I misread your question.
"Uninterrupted" threads are the type that "Joe Smith" the gunsmith can easily make because he has a standard die, but does not have the milling equipment necessary to make "interrupted" threads.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
From what I have seen the Maxim Silencer came in 3 pieces. There was the main body silencer, a special adapter that had the interrupted tread (male portion)and also had the female portion that treaded to the barrel and there was the knurled cap the could be put on the barrel when not using the silencer. The main body of the silencer has the part that fitted to the barrel offset so that it didn’t interfere with the sights on the rifle and with the interrupted threads it allowed the silencer to locate at the same position each time it was put on the gun’s barrel.
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