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When did the barrel address on the 1892 move to the right side of the barrel next to the rear sight?
I don’t believe the address stamping was ever moved from top to side, rather, the location of the caliber marking determined where the address line was stamped, usually on top but sometimes on the side.
"This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."
The barrel address and the caliber marking were moved from the 12 o’clock (top of the barrel) to the left side of the barrel (10 o’clock position) sometime in 1907 or 1908 (depending on the specific model).
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
When Mark said the right side of the barrel, the 94’s had some info stamped on the right side of the barrel but it was a lot later in production than I usually keep track of. So maybe the 92’s did the same thing.
Paul,
In the late 1920s, Winchester briefly moved the Model designation to the right side of the barrel (during the transition from the Type-5 upper tang marking to the Type-6). The “Address” marking remained on the left side of the barrel after being moved from the top of the barrel in 1907/08.
The following pictures show the transitional marking that we are discussing. Note that the “address” marking is still on the left side of the barrel, but the Model designation has been marked on the right-hand side of the barrel (after it was blued).
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
I am looking at a 1892 carbine serial 985000. The gun has the caliber marking on the left side but the barrel address is on the right side. Thoughts? Both barrel and receiver have correct proof marks.
The proof marks are not lined up in typical Winchester fashion either. I had forgotten about the Model 92 address marking on the right side of the barrel… but to perfectly honest, I stay focused on the Model 94 to a much greater degree. You should asking Michael Puzio (2bit), as he as put a considerable amount of effort into surveying the Model 1892/92.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Thanks bert. Im away from home otherwise i would look in the madis book. Ill message 2bit.
Hi guys,
I have been out of the loop for a while with family duties and traveling to New Zealand for a few weeks. The address was moved to the right side of the Model 92 barrel in the 936000 SN range. As with many things Winchester the change was transitional over almost 8,000 rifles. Can I please get more photos of the rifle so that I can add it into my survey?
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=606355
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
Michael,
The pics i posted are the only ones i have. A friend of mine purchased the carbine and the gun is on its way to him. I will ask him for photos when he receives the gun. Thanks for the clarification.
Mark
Hi Michael,
Our daughter spent a semester studying in New Zealand, and loved it. I think the markings on the carbines might be at a earlier date. I have seen Trapper numbers in the low 800,00.
Walter
wallyb said
Hi Michael,
Our daughter spent a semester studying in New Zealand, and loved it. I think the markings on the carbines might be at a earlier date. I have seen Trapper numbers in the low 800,00.
Walter
Wallyb
A Model 1892 rifle in the 800,000 SN range and having a right side address stamp would have a replacement barrel on it which is not original to the rifle.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
Hi Michael,
Look at the Julia spring 2015 auction and tell me what you think. Trappers.
Regards
Walter
Here’s a trapper with a swapped barrel
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=544217793
Hello,
In my data I have catalogued 1,503 rifles between SN 800,000 and 936,000. Of these, 54 have right side address stamps, many are clearly a different age than the balance of the gun due to the condition and/or have an “oval P” proof stamp on them. They are clearly not original. Furthermore the right side address is only found on barrel with the “MODEL 92” designation on the left side. The model designation did not come into use until 1920 at approximately SN 883000 and was only moved to the left side of the barrel at the 936000 SN point in time. I would be highly suspect of the originality of a barrel with a right side address which precedes SN 936000 by much of a margin.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
Bert H. said
The barrel address and the caliber marking were moved from the 12 o’clock (top of the barrel) to the left side of the barrel (10 o’clock position) sometime in 1907 or 1908 (depending on the specific model).Bert
Hey Bert my model 1892 is in the 423,000 range and Has the 44 WCF at 12 o’clock but it doesn’t have proof marks ? Can you explain that to me ? Thanks my email is jscar99@aol
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