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I have an 86 that the letter states ” Sights, Lyman rear, leaf and front. Rifle currently has a Lyman tang and front with a blank in the rear dove tail. My question is would leaf have meant a Lyman 6?  

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When In see leaf in the ledger, I think of Sporting Leaf.

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I would believe a Lyman #6 too.  Really is a nice set up with all three.

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Here’s my 1894 in 32 WS that letters with the special sights.  In this case the “leaf” refers to the Lyman #6.

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deerhunter said
  In this case the “leaf” refers to the Lyman #6.

 

Yes, because all sights are Lyman, & the #6 is the only “leaf” made by Lyman.

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So can I assume that this gun shipped with a lyman tang and a leaf rear and at some point the rear was taken off and blanked?

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oldcrankyyankee said
So can I assume that this gun shipped with a lyman tang and a leaf rear and at some point the rear was taken off and blanked?

  

No, the “leaf rear” or #6 is what’s on there now.  The original buyer had the good sense to know that the standard rear sight would be a useless obstruction (though right here on this forum I’ve heard some folks argue that it’s not!).

Lyman didn’t begin assigning numbers to their sights until after about a doz yrs of making them.  The original catalog name of this sight was “Patent Leaf Sight.”

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oldcrankyyankee said
So can I assume that this gun shipped with a lyman tang and a leaf rear and at some point the rear was taken off and blanked?

  

If your rifle has a blank in the slot, then yes, your statement is correct.  The pics of Deerhunter’s 1894 above, show what your 1886 sight set up should look like.  The #6 also came in various heights too… so be sure to get the right height for your rifle’s caliber.

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This 86 carbine letters the same way as stated above.

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oldcrankyyankee said
I have an 86 that the letter states ” Sights, Lyman rear, leaf and front. Rifle currently has a Lyman tang and front with a blank in the rear dove tail. My question is would leaf have meant a Lyman 6?  

  

PM sent… I have #6’s available

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deerhunter said
Here’s my 1894 in 32 WS that letters with the special sights.  In this case the “leaf” refers to the Lyman #6.

Don

 

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Nice one Don – original and correct gun with a lot of condition – I really like the configuration. If you are serious about collecting the Winchester ever action you need to tuck away guns like this when you find them because they are rapidly disappearing. The caliber may not be everyone’s favorite but it does not matter when a gun is this honest and has not been screwed with. 

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Burt Humphrey said

deerhunter said

Here’s my 1894 in 32 WS that letters with the special sights.  In this case the “leaf” refers to the Lyman #6.

Don

 

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Nice one Don – original and correct gun with a lot of condition – I really like the configuration. If you are serious about collecting the Winchester ever action you need to tuck away guns like this when you find them because they are rapidly disappearing. The caliber may not be everyone’s favorite but it does not matter when a gun is this honest and has not been screwed with. 

  

Thanks Burt.  It is one of the highest condition pieces in my collection and it ain’t going away anytime soon.  I prefer high condition with special order features and you are right about them disappearing from the market.

Don

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oldcrankyyankee said
So what is this sight?

  

Lyman #6, previously the “Patent Leaf.”

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deerhunter said

Burt Humphrey said

deerhunter said

Here’s my 1894 in 32 WS that letters with the special sights.  In this case the “leaf” refers to the Lyman #6.

Don

 

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Nice one Don – original and correct gun with a lot of condition – I really like the configuration. If you are serious about collecting the Winchester ever action you need to tuck away guns like this when you find them because they are rapidly disappearing. The caliber may not be everyone’s favorite but it does not matter when a gun is this honest and has not been screwed with. 

  

Thanks Burt.  It is one of the highest condition pieces in my collection and it ain’t going away anytime soon.  I prefer high condition with special order features and you are right about them disappearing from the market.

Don

  

And, if anyone ever gives you a bad time about the gun being a 32, you can always remind them that for all the Model 1894’s in the range which can be lettered, fewer were produced in 32 than any of the 5 calibers – so there are at least theoretically less of them for collectors!

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