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December 9, 2024
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https://www.gunbroker.com/Item/1141378889
The seller is claiming that the letter left out all the special features this rifle “supposedly” has.
I’m a total novice but it looks phony even to me.
I’d be happy to hear all your thoughts??
September 22, 2011
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Completely improved and does not match the letter. The pattern of checkering doesn’t match that of known patterns as they don’t have uncheckered diamonds. Also, a checkered straight grip is unusual.
April 30, 2023
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Weird cleaning or polishing pattern here too:
October 29, 2011
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Definately a Fake Deluxe………..Bill
November 19, 2006
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Jeremy P said
Weird cleaning or polishing pattern here too:
I’m going to toss this out there – I think that polishing pattern is on the left side of the receiver is original. I’m not always right – just ask my wife – but I’m putting it out there anyway.
April 15, 2005
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steve004 said
Jeremy P said
Weird cleaning or polishing pattern here too:
I’m going to toss this out there – I think that polishing pattern is on the left side of the receiver is original. I’m not always right – just ask my wife – but I’m putting it out there anyway.
If you ask my wife, I am NEVER “right” !!
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November 7, 2015
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I don’t need a wife to tell me I’m wrong but I don’t like the uneven finish on the receiver. I was thinking a narrow buffing wheel. I like the checkering but agree it doesn’t look like any factory pattern I’ve seen. Bore Is a bit frosty and it likely gets worse as you move towards the chamber. Nice looking rifle but too many issues.
Mike
May 23, 2009
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Reblued and new wood with non-factory checkering.
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February 17, 2022
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I should stay out of this but, I agree the checker is not factory. Looks a little course in Lpi. And if the letter doesn’t match, well, Not winding up in my safe. Looks like an older redo.
November 19, 2006
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TXGunNut said
I don’t need a wife to tell me I’m wrong but I don’t like the uneven finish on the receiver. I was thinking a narrow buffing wheel. I like the checkering but agree it doesn’t look like any factory pattern I’ve seen. Bore Is a bit frosty and it likely gets worse as you move towards the chamber. Nice looking rifle but too many issues.
Mike
Mike –
With a wife, you get to find out you’re wrong more often than you realized.
With the left side of that receiver, it depends a lot on the light and angle that you are looking at it. If you had it in your hands, you could rotate it around and from some angles, you likely wouldn’t notice it all. A couple of his photos catches it just right. I think it is the last photo of the right side of the receiver, you hardly notice it at all.
I’m mainly basing my opinion on examining other M1886 receivers that had this same polishing pattern in the same location.
Regarding this rifle, I suspect it is the original wood but of course with added aftermarket checkering.
October 29, 2011
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I sent him a message and suggest you all do the same. I mentioned non factory checkering and polishing marks on receiver. He only has one listing.
You may want to re-post his responses here–Bill
April 15, 2005
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Maverick said
Reblued and new wood with non-factory checkering.
The wood is factory original… the checkering not. I am 50/50 on it being original or reblued.
Bert
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May 23, 2009
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Wood has certainly been refinished when it was badly checked. I think its a partial re-blue to say the least. Hard to say for certain on any of it without holding it in hand and doing some disassembly.
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January 7, 2017
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Jeremy P said
Weird cleaning or polishing pattern here too:
I believe that’s a reflection of his fingers wrapped around the phone/ camera.
At least that’s what my wife says….
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All I keep thinking about when reading these, is what our late friend “Big Larry” would say.
“Don’t buy a gun that you have to make excuses for”!
Again I say RIP, old friend.
Anthony
October 29, 2011
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Is it a Red Flag when the seller only has one Listing? Has any one else contacted him to correct his listing..
November 8, 2011
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426crown said
Is it a Red Flag when the seller only has one Listing? Has any one else contacted him to correct his listing..
Looking at his feedback, he doesn’t appear to be a dealer or flipper. He’s been on Gunbroker since 2004. I think it’s likely that he believes the gun to be correct.
January 20, 2023
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Bert H. said
steve004 said
Jeremy P said
Weird cleaning or polishing pattern here too:
I’m going to toss this out there – I think that polishing pattern is on the left side of the receiver is original. I’m not always right – just ask my wife – but I’m putting it out there anyway.
If you ask my wife, I am NEVER “right” !!
“If a tree fell in the forest and she didn’t hear it, would I still be wrong?”
- Bill
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April 15, 2005
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Zebulon said
Bert H. said
steve004 said
Jeremy P said
Weird cleaning or polishing pattern here too:
I’m going to toss this out there – I think that polishing pattern is on the left side of the receiver is original. I’m not always right – just ask my wife – but I’m putting it out there anyway.
If you ask my wife, I am NEVER “right” !!
“If a tree fell in the forest and she didn’t hear it, would I still be wrong?”
Positively!
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June 24, 2015
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This rifle’s bluing is factory original. Those break lines in the polish on the receiver is absolutely correct and actually something I look for on an original rifle from this timeframe. This was very prominent in the c.1905-1910 timeframe. I am not sure why. It seems like the earlier guns have a finer, more even “high polish” finish and do not exhibit this very much. The wheel used to polish these may have been smaller or something during this time. Stands to reason as the larger frame of the 1886 is the model where this polish break and chatter is most visible. We will never know for sure. It is visible on model 1894s & 1892s as well during this time.
And as others have stated – the checkering on this rifle is not factory. Nice gun… but not a deluxe and not worth $8k. Probably but about half of that.
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