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deerhunter said
Anyone watch the bidding war the other day? What an exceptional 1886!!
What I don’t understand is how two guys apparently have no idea what they are really willing to spend for the gun beyond “$100 more than that other guy”! Just enter your high bid and let it play out. Crazy.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
If the gun letters as it is with those special order features the price is about right. Per John Madl research only (36) model 1886 have cheek piece stocks.
The price seems cheap to me, is it the caliber, the market, Gunbroker, or some hidden flaw. It appears to be a nice deluxe with some rare features, Swiss butt and a cheek piece. Is there a back story. T/R
November 7, 2015
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Cody letter conspicuous in it’s absence. Beautiful gun but something about the wood and the colors in the lever bother me. Didn’t get all the hi-def pics to download, local internet blazing along at speeds not seen since dial-up days.
Mike
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The lack of a factory letter and the appearance of the lower tang relative to the receiver, among other things, is troubling.
Hello everyone, Well I’m the guy that lost the bid on the 86. I dropped out of the bidding because I already have a deluxe 86 in that caliber, the wood looked to be refinished and the sights did not letter. I really liked the rifle even though there may be a few issues with the rifle. I’ll probably never see another one.
Jim is a reputable delar. I have purchased several firearms from hm through the years. Jim told me if I didn’t like the rifle just sent it back for a full refund. He also sold a decent deluxe 73 that same day. Here is the Cody search letter.
Gerald
Gerald, Thanks for sharing the information, I liked the gun and wish I owned it. I think I should keep checking on the seller for other nice guns. Question, is it normal to see the wood grain thru the checkering? T/R
TR said
Gerald, Thanks for sharing the information, I liked the gun and wish I owned it. I think I should keep checking on the seller for other nice guns. Question, is it normal to see the wood grain thru the checkering? T/R
I looked at a couple of my guns and I didn’t see the grain. My checkering appears to be darker in color. My guns were both made in the 1870’s. I also looked at a 95 that was made in 1903. This one I could see some grain when I used a flashlight. The gun in question is much lighter in the checkered area than mine. I think that the older guns have picked up more oil where handled?
With the letter i think the buyer got a great gun for a very good price. Like i said only 36 1886 deluxe with check piece stocks and probably only a couple with check and swiss butt. I don’t believe the stock has been refinished.
One of the reasons I didn’t bid higher was that I already have a 38-56 Deluxe. Here are some pics.
Gerald
How much more of a value add would the missing Swiss butt plate and the Lyman tang sight have increased the valuation on the above?
Serial number applied, received in warehouse, and shipped all on the same day??? Doesn’t seem possible. 16 October 1890.
Chuck, My guns have a darker cast to the checker area like you describe. When I look at restored wood I can see very plainly the grain color and pattern right thru the checkering like the Swiss butt deluxe. Is a mint gun the same? T/R
MRCVS, I agree it does seem odd to receive and ship the same day, however the Swiss but plate deluxe 86 also received and shipped the same day on sept. 11 1891. I have another lettered Winchester that shipped the same day.
A Beautiful 86, hard to say if stocks have been refinished. If not, it’s very good value at sales price IMO.
Winchester Model 1873 44-40 circa 1886
November 7, 2015
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I understand your reasoning now, Gerald. That Swiss butt plate rifle is nice but your 1886 is certainly a tough act to follow. Never seen a rifle put together quite like this, obviously ordered by a serious hunter. Thanks for sharing your 1886 with us.
Mike
TR said
Chuck, My guns have a darker cast to the checker area like you describe. When I look at restored wood I can see very plainly the grain color and pattern right thru the checkering like the Swiss butt deluxe. Is a mint gun the same? T/R
Here is a model 1886 where you can see the grain color and pattern through the checkering. Is it restored?
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/801832433
Al
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tionesta1 said
Here is a model 1886 where you can see the grain color and pattern through the checkering. Is it restored?
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/801832433
Al
Wow! I don’t think so. Seller states oil may have been added but I feel that’s normal maintenance for an oil finish. Seller is the guy I’m referring to when I say the pics show me more than I’d see in person. The pics show every little ding and blemish. Nice rifle!
Mike
Al, The description on the gun says “light finish added”. I like the gun and the wood would not bother me. Most of my guns are antique made in the 1870’s & 80’s, I asked the question because I don’t know the answer. All my life I have asked questions in a attempt to gain knowledge. I am trying to determine if when I plainly see the grain in the checkering on a nice gun is it just well cared for or has it been cleaned and freshen. Maybe there is no simple answer. T/R
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