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1873 Special Order Barrel Lengths
February 21, 2016
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1873man said

Terry,

Thanks for the gun info.

Bob

Are the 30 inch barrel and set trigger very unusual options?   terry

February 21, 2016
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Terry,

A set trigger is the most common option on a 73 and a 30" barrel is not that unusual.

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Gregg Batchelor said

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Gregg,

26" is not scarce. Its the most popular length from the standard 24". It will add some to the value but not like you think. The rarity of barrel lengths of rifles from most to least is 24", 26, 28, 30, 20, 32, 16, 22, 34, 36, 14 and 18"

Bob

Thanks Bob, I thought the same thing until I was reading Madis Winchester Handbook last night, where he refers to 26.and 32 as being the rarest on a rifle.  I looked for numbers made on the Internet but couldn't find anything.  

Does his winchester book go into more details or is the handbook adequate.

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Thanks Bob, I thought the same thing until I was reading Madis Winchester Handbook last night, where he refers to 26.and 32 as being the rarest on a rifle.  I looked for numbers made on the Internet but couldn't find anything.  

Does his winchester book go into more details or is the handbook adequate.

Gregg,

If your looking for a good book on the 73 you need to get the 2 volume set by Jim Gordon written solely about the 73. Its called "Winchester's new model of 1873: A tribute". Its out of print and copies are a little spendy but do show up . He surveyed about 4000 guns and came up with statistics about the number of guns that survived. The Madis book is good too and covers most of the models and is worth picking up.
 

Bob

Dang, if I could find one I'd really have to consider the $1000 price

 

March 11, 2016
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Gregg,

I'd never pay $1000 for a set of books. I just sold a set on the swap page for half that.

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March 12, 2016
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Another M1873 from my collection:

 

Date in: 11-1-1894
Type: Rifle
Caliber: 38
Barrel: 20 inch, Octagon
Trigger: Plain
Date shipped: 11-2-1894
Order: 22216

 

Greetings from Germany

 

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March 12, 2016
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Steff,

Thanks for the info but I need a serial number.

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I'm getting old

 

SN: 479878B

 

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March 12, 2016
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Steff,

Thanks, got it entered. That is a rare configuration. I only have 4 like that in there now and 4 in 32 caliber out of 6276 guns.

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In the same auction was a second one:

 

Win. 1873, SN 279945
Date in: 1-23-1889
Type: Rifle
Caliber: 44
Barrel: 20 inch, Octagon
Trigger: Set
Sights: Graduated peep and beach
Date shipped: 1-24-1889
Order: 17012

 

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Here some standard M1873

 

Win. 1873, SN 361975
Date in: 11-29-1890
Type: Rifle
Caliber: 38
Barrel: Octagon
Trigger: Plain
Date shipped: 12-9-1890
Order: 22404
 
Win. 1873, SN 369335
Date in: 1-17-1891
Type: Musket
Caliber: 44
Date shipped: 1-26-1891
Order: 24796
 
Win. 1873, SN 78001
Date in: 10-20-1881
Type: Carbine
Date shipped: 10-27-1881
Order: 29341
 
Win. 1873, SN 166479
Date in: 11-7-1884
Type: Rifle
Barrel: Round
Trigger: Plain
Date shipped: 11-8-1884
Order: 17070
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Steff,

I got them recorded, Thanks. The 20" 44 is kind of scarce.  There are 17 of them with a set trigger and 11 of them are engraved

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March 13, 2016
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Bob,

Aren't there a significant number of '73's with 20" barrel, set trigger, and 44 cal. out in the 1910 range.........so called border guns?   I don't really look for 1873's but it seems like I stumble upon them now and again in that configuration. I always wondered why they had set triggers.

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March 13, 2016
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Gary.

If you figure no set trigger  there are 84 of them in any barrel shape. In the Gordon book he has a copy of a ledger page serial 610400 to 610050 that lists 21 of them in Round and Octagon barrel.

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Bob

I bet that George Madis and James Gordon are proud of you for continuing the 1873 research. There is no telling what you will find. Those guys were before the computer age.   I will contact , and we can compare notes on my '73 survey of engraved deluxe short rifles.

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March 13, 2016
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Bob hear is another for your survey.

winchester 1873

SN: 518185

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Caliber:44

Barrel Type: Round

Barrel Length: 20 inches

Trigger Plain

Received in warehouse on May 20 1898

Shipped from warehouse on September 06 1898 Order Number 332

Received in warehouse  September 1 1898

Shipped from warehouse September 30 1898 order number 445.

 

Yep the dates look odd but Jessie rechecked and also sent me a copy of the leger page.

This rifle has been in australia for ever, would be nice to know if it came hear with a few other's in same order.

cheers from oz

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March 13, 2016
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Tony,

Does the ledger copy show any more guns with the same order number? I know in the old days you would get the full page from the ledger but as of late they are getting tight on handing out extra information.

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The last ledger I got along with s/n search for an 1876 rifle on 3-11-2016 had 12 rifles shown, which 5 of them were all the same configuration and order # with a 26" barrel and in 45/60. Another ledger oddity was it was received in warehouse on 8-16-1882 but was shipped on 8-15-1882.  

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94shorties said

The last ledger I got along with s/n search for an 1876 rifle on 3-11-2016 had 12 rifles shown, which 5 of them were all the same configuration and order # with a 26" barrel and in 45/60. Another ledger oddity was it was received in warehouse on 8-16-1882 but was shipped on 8-15-1882.  

1873man said

Tony,

Does the ledger copy show any more guns with the same order number? I know in the old days you would get the full page from the ledger but as of late they are getting tight on handing out extra information.

Thank you for the gun info, Bob

Bob yes it does i have emailed you the copy as I cant upload it to the site.

cheers

tony

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Sorry to revive an old thread but i would be interested as well.  I have a 3rd model Winchester 1873 Sporting Rifle 26’ octagon chambered in .44-40 WCF.  The mag tube is full length w/trapdoor.  Oddly, as I've never seen this before, mine is equipped with the Three Leaf Express Sights.  Per the Cody Cert, it was built in early 1886.

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Chile,

What is the serial number? Does the letter state the sights on it? Does the condition of the sight match the barrel finish?

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the 3-leaf sight does match the barrel finish but on the Cody cert there is no mention.  the SN is 19781B

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