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1873 Special Order Barrel Lengths
February 15, 2016
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I had this topic open when the upgrade happened so I'm reprinting it now.

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I have a 1873 with a special order 26" octagon barrel in 44-40.  According to what I've read 26 & 32 inch is scarce.  My question is how scarce were the 26 inch barrel and does it add much value to the rifle.
 
 
 
 
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26" is not scarce. Its the most popular length from the standard 24". It will add some to the value but not like you think. The rarity of barrel lengths of rifles from most to least is 24", 26, 28, 30, 20, 32, 16, 22, 34, 36, 14 and 18"
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Gregg wrote,

Thanks Bob, I thought the same thing until I was reading Madis Winchester Handbook last night, where he refers to 26.and 32 as being the rarest on a rifle.  I looked for numbers made on the Internet but couldn't find anything.  

Does his winchester book go into more details or is the handbook adequate.

Gregg,

If your looking for a good book on the 73 you need to get the 2 volume set by Jim Gordon written solely about the 73. Its called "Winchester's new model of 1873: A tribute". Its out of print and copies are a little spendy but do show up . He surveyed about 4000 guns and came up with statistics about the number of guns that survived. The Madis book is good too and covers most of the models and is worth picking up.
 

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1873man said

Gregg,

26" is not scarce. Its the most popular length from the standard 24". It will add some to the value but not like you think. The rarity of barrel lengths of rifles from most to least is 24", 26, 28, 30, 20, 32, 16, 22, 34, 36, 14 and 18"

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Thanks Bob, I thought the same thing until I was reading Madis Winchester Handbook last night, where he refers to 26.and 32 as being the rarest on a rifle.  I looked for numbers made on the Internet but couldn't find anything.  

Does his winchester book go into more details or is the handbook adequate.

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Gregg,

26" is not scarce. Its the most popular length from the standard 24". It will add some to the value but not like you think. The rarity of barrel lengths of rifles from most to least is 24", 26, 28, 30, 20, 32, 16, 22, 34, 36, 14 and 18"

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I have a 1873 with a special order 26" octagon barrel in 44-40.  According to what I've read 26 & 32 inch is scarce.  My question is how scarce were the 26 inch barrel and does it add much value to the rifle.

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  Hi,   Question for Bob, and others.    Were all non standard barrel lengths special order, or did Winchester make runs of odd barrel lengths and store them

until ordered ?          What is the rarity of CARBINE barrel lengths other then standard 20 inch, both shorter and longer ?   Thanks,  Eric

February 18, 2016
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Eric,

Just to correct your wording, Winchester rarely made odd barrel lengths, most of there barrels were even lengths. Wink I do see some evidents of guns with non standard barrel lengths being entered into the ledgers at one time and then they are shipped on different dates even months later. Of the carbines in the 73 survey  11% are shorter than standard there is only 1 that is longer than standard.

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Thanks Bob, I actually meant any other barrel lengths then 20 inch.  I have an otherwise standard Carbine with a 24 inch barrel, just wondering if there were many more.  Do you know the relative rarity of the shorter ones ?  Not many of the short ones in Australia, then mostly 15 inch.      Eric

February 18, 2016
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Eric,

Have you lettered your carbine? Longer carbines are rare. I would like to add it to the survey

I figured the percent wrong, The rarity of the shorter ones is the 6.5% of the 1156 carbines in the survey. Now this is probable not the rarity if you figure the entire 73 production but that will never be known until someone complies the 73 ledgers.

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February 18, 2016
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Bob,

Are you adding '73s to the Gordon research? If so, I can send you some.

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Walter,

Yes I am, I'm up to 5900. In addition what a Jim was tracking I'm recording what sights they letter with but only what on the letter. I will gladly accept any 73's you have.

Bob

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Bob, 

I will send a PM this weekend. Only 700,000 to go.

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February 18, 2016
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   Bob

   Regarding long 1873 Carbine.  Standard in every way except 24 inch barrel.  Serial No 293146 .   Cody letter states ---Type: Carbine

           Caliber: 44      Barrel Length: 24 inches     In warehouse March 15 1889    Shipped March 23  1889.  Order No 19041.

          I do have a few other assorted 1873  Rifles and Carbines if you want the details for your survey, but they are NOT lettered.

    Thanks   Eric

February 18, 2016
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Eric,

That is a real rare gun. In Gordon's book he pictures one with a 23.5" barrel that was shipped with a angular bayonet. He says any carbine that came with the bayonet would of had a longer barrel and it would not of been mentioned in the ledger since it was standard for that option. We found that to be the case with 76 carbines as well. So there are more long barreled out there but they because of the bayonet.

You can send me the information on your other guns. They don't have to be lettered but if you know that they their configuration has been altered let me know. I would need to know if they are rifle, carbine or musket, caliber, barrel length, barrel shape, mag length, butt style, metal finish, if the wood is plain or deluxe grade or any other extra feature i.e. set trigger, sling swivels, checkered etc. If the gun is just a standard carbine then I know its configuration.

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Bob,

I can give you about a dozen 73's for your survey if you want them. Most of them are standard guns. Can I list them here, or do you want them sent in a private message?

That's interesting about the 26" barrels. I always thought they were much scarcer than the 28". I've had several 28's, but never had a 26. I went to see a man about 40 years ago, that had two 73's with 26" barrels in .32wcf. I was shocked when I looked at the serial numbers, and they were consecutive. I don't think he even realized it. Needless to say, he wouldn't part with them, as they had been handed down from his grandfather.

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You also send them to my email.

Thanks, Bob

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Hi Bob,

 

Here is a 73 for the survey.

Serial #218466

Type: Rifle

Caliber: 38

Barrel Type: Octagon

Barrel Lenght: 26

Trigger: Set

Received  November 12, 1886

Shipped November  15, 1886

February 19, 2016
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Manuel,

Its been added, Thanks

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If you are interested I have a model 1873 #192066 that letters with this info, cal. 38,octagon barrel,30 inch barrel,set trigger,in and out of the warehouse Nov. 28 1885. And still is in this configuration.  terry

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Terry,

Thanks for the gun info.

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