Here is an 1894 SRC in .30WCF that I picked up a while back. This gun is a true testament of a rifle that had been well used and has stood up to the test of time. I am sure if this rifle could talk …well one can only image . 🙄 The rifle has a broken upper tang and repaired, nail is now used to hold the butt plate on the upper tang, the butt stock shows signs of being well weathered, likely from being left in a scabbard on wet and snowy days. The fore stock show wear from being carried across a saddle for more than a few hours. The previous owner told me that the gun came from a ranch in Western Canada where it had spent it’s life in the early 20th century. I think that this gun could be the poster child for the term "Honest Wear" 😛 Pretty is in the eyes of the beholder.
Just thought I would share.
OBTW it still shoots and functions well.
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Interesting I had never seen wear like that on the forestock. I find it interesting that Saddle horn would have done that I doubt I ever would have thought of that if left on my own with an example of that.
Just goes to show you read the nuggets here you leave with some gold.
Mark W. said
Interesting I had never seen wear like that on the forestock. I find it interesting that Saddle horn would have done that I doubt I ever would have thought of that if left on my own with an example of that.Just goes to show you read the nuggets here you leave with some gold.
Usually the wear is at the center of balance on the weapon from where it rested on the pommel/swell/fork of the saddle right in front of the rider’s crotch, and not so much on the horn itself. I’ve never seen so much wear as on this gun, nor as far forward.
I like the look of a well used Winchester and that one has been around the horn (no pun intended).
I guess nobody can say for sure the wear was from a saddle carry. I just sort of guessed at this as compared to a photo I seen in Madis’s book showing a gun in the back of the book with similar wear that was identified as saddle wear. The damage is all very smooth including the mag tube is all very consistent. Maybe it was carried some other way to cause the wear but it is for sure real wear.
Anybody else care to guess or really does it matter. ❓
"Road King" said
I guess nobody can say for sure the wear was from a saddle carry. I just sort of guessed at this as compared to a photo I seen in Madis’s book showing a gun in the back of the book with similar wear that was identified as saddle wear. The damage is all very smooth including the mag tube is all very consistent. Maybe it was carried some other way to cause the wear but it is for sure real wear.
Anybody else care to guess or really does it matter. ❓
This is a wild guess, but maybe it was shot a lot in target practice over many years by the same person from the same position, over a log or something.
Generally you see the saddle wear right in front of the receiver on rifles. Carbines have a center of balance on the receiver itself.
It does look like honest wear, I just don’t know from what. Either way, I like these better than the new in box look.
Edited to add:, Or maybe it road in a chuck wagon or buck board in a certain position for many years. That would certainly do it.
A really good possibility for the wear on that fore-end wood could be from having been carried in a rack in a pickup cab.
It was quick and easy to bend a couple of band-iron strap pieces into a rifle rack, and bolt or rivet them to the back wall of a cab, as a convenient way to carry the rifle.
This could be as early as the 1910-15-ish period, when the T model Ford was becoming common on farms and ranches.
I don’t know how many of you have experienced, first-hand, the vibration level of a flivver on a rough road or open ground, but I can assure you that it would be plenty enough to wear that wood down like that, if the rifle was in a bent steel rack, or, for that matter, just carried in the flivver with the wood resting on any part of the body.
Another possibility could be the habit of many of the old farmers and loggers to carry a 30-30 on a tractor, or cat……deer and coyotes will become accustomed to the noise and motion of a tractor or cat after awhile, and lose their fear of the machine……at a guess, thinking of the cat as some strange form of animal which was no threat to them. One of my grand-parents’ friends got quite a few deer that way.
cheers
Carla
That is pretty cool and thanks for sharing Road King. Maybe it started with a crack or two on the tip of the forearm way back when. The rear sight looks pretty good yet.
I can sure verify what Carla says about deer and coyotes (and wolves) showing up when you’re on the tractor, cat etc.
Brad
I agree it’s too far forward for saddle wear. I had a 1st Model ’73 rifle with saddle wear on the fore-end, and it’s just in front of the receiver at the balance point. I don’t know where this gun was carried, but it took a lot of miles to wear it like that. The buttstock must have been exposed to the elements to weather it like that.
OK to think about this a bit. We have the point that the wear is not at or near the balance point as it would be if caused by a saddle horn.
The wear to the fore stock appears to be consistent with what would be caused by a rifle rack in a vehicle over a long period of time.
There does not appear to be any matching wear on the butt stock as there would be if it was a rifle rack in the common sense (two straps with strap hooks running vertical in a vehicle cab)
There is what appears to be both water and physical wear to the area of the butt stock area. Wear that could be from objects rubbing against it and weather hitting it while in a scabbard. But a rifle scabbard is typically behind the riders leg making that kind of physical wear kind of hard to imagine.
So what if we think the rifle was held in some sort of vertical mount where the butt fit in more of a cup like shape and there was some sort of loose fitting loop or strap that went around the forestock?
just ideas for the debate.
That is a good example of honest wear for sure. Very interesting. I would not try to guess how it got its wear. Even how fellows choose to carry their gun on a horse can differ from person to person, but it could have been worn that way from any number of particular methods unique to various people hauling their gun around back in the day. What I can say for sure is that it was a pleasure admiring that old ’94. A fellow doesn’t see a well worn gun like that every day of the week. Thanks for posting those photos.
Maybe left too close to a heat source–burned area scraped/carved off with a sturdy knife–then sanded to take sharp edges off–then traveled to kingdom come and back several times in a scabbard–shooting straight at every eligible two, three, and four-legged critter all along the way!
That buttstock looks as if it were propped butt-down in a shallow creek every evening for ten or more years.
Thank you for the photos, Road King. One of the best used rifles I’ve seen.
Thanks guys for all the comments. A mint condition gun from the same era has a lot of appeal but has only one story to tell, "I’ve been standing in a dry closet for 100 years." A gun like the one in this post has a more stories then there is room to write.
Glad I could share this gun with you and was able to save from being seen on e-bay in parts.
OH I like the idea of the other rack "hook" going through the lever. but then wouldn’t the wear be more consistent with the length of the opening in the lever? Granted there could have been multiple gun rack with various spacing over the year.
I find this rifle fascinating.
I have a similarly beat to crap fully functional 1906 that has scars and damage that I can’t figure out what would have caused it (short of an eleven year old with his dads tool box)
Enjoying the discussion.
Mark W. said
OH I like the idea of the other rack "hook" going through the lever. but then wouldn’t the wear be more consistent with the length of the opening in the lever? Granted there could have been multiple gun rack with various spacing over the year.
You are correct. I figured maybe the fore arm holder was random and loose, like a loop or wire or something, put on different each time. But I like the other ideas better, about a tractor or cat or something. Not too sod busting in Western Canada but it could be a trapper’s carbine and that wear is from the butt being on the floor board of a snow machine with the fore arm resting against the steering handles which turn left and right (which would be up and down) on the fore arm as the guy zips across the snow.
I think it was a trappers gun on a snow mobile in the winter.
Here is a rifle that seems to have gun-rack/tractor wear.
http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/winchester-1894-30-wcf-w6209/#.UqfSn-JZ-M8
Im not sure how they would carry but you might look into riggings that were used on dog sleds back in the day. The rifle obviously spent a lot of time outdoors and has spent a lot of that time wet. We dont see many old time dog sleds down here in south Texas but maybe someone out there is familiar with them and how a rifle or carbine may have commonly been carried back then.
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Here’s an 1866 carbine with a similar wear pattern. Seller claims it came from Arizona.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=383522251
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