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Tang markings for the surveys 1894
September 27, 2019
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Is there a pictorial list of the different tang markings?  I see reference up to 7 different ones (maybe more) and would like to compare so I can submit an 1894 I just picked up with all the info in 1 posting.

I did search,  so not totally lazy.     Thanks

September 27, 2019
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In answer to your question, there were nine different upper tang marking types for the Model 1894/94.  I have them listed as follows in my research survey, with the approximate serial number ranges for each type.  As with all manufacture/production changes that Winchester made, there are outliers, and a slightly broader serial number transition zone for each type.  The transition ranges are still being refined as the survey continues.  That started, my observed numbers below are relatively close.

1.  Type 1, serial range 1 – 15100

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2.  Type 1A, serial range 15101 – 222500

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3.  Type 2, serial range 222401 – 450000

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4.  Type 3, serial range 450001 – 690000

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5.  Type 4, serial range 690001 – 897000

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6.  Type 5, serial range 897001 – 1018900

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7.  Type 5A, serial range 1015300 – 1019500

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8. Type 6, serial range 1019501 – 1166500

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9.  Type 7, serial range 1166501 – 1343183

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September 27, 2019
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So what I have picked up is a Model 94 in 30 WCF with a 20 inch barrel.

The serial number is 1226438

The upper tang marking is a type 6

Buckhorn rear and ramp front sight with a hood,  looks like the bead is missing.

Front band is figure 8 or shaped

Magazine is full,  maybe 1/8″ inch short of the muzzle

Eastern Carbine

Straight Stock

Hammer is checkered approx 1/2″

No stock checkering

Steel buttplate on “shotgun” style stock, straight line pattern.  I would have thought walnut stock but maybe “gum”?

3d owner,  father to son to me.

97+ original finish,  perfect bore.

Hope this fills a hole in your survey,  thanks for your efforts and work in this respect.

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Does it have a “W” stamped below the serial number (on the flat area) ?  Based on the serial number, your Model 94 Carbine was manufactured in April, 1940.

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Yes,  there is a W stamped there.

December 17, 2019
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Hello, Bert.

I saw this survey on another site that will not allow me to register Yell, so I thought that I would post it here.  I have a “new to me” Winchester Model 94, caliber .32 Win Spl.  It’s a replacement for the one my grandfather gave me way back when.  Anyhoo, depending on the site I check, the weapon is showing a Manufactured Date of either 1939 or somewhere between 1941 and 1942.  Not sure which one to trust.

Survey:

Serial Number:  1205531

Caliber Stamp Marking:  32 – W. S.

Butt plate:  Middle is serrated, top and bottom is flat steel

Upper tang:  Blank (looks like it was replaced.  the steel looks different)

Left side of the receiver:  Not sure.  It looks like I’m missing an entire top row of screws or pins.  Looks like one missing on the right side, too.

US Martial or Canadian PCMR marking:  No

Barrel is marked “Proof Steel”

Saddle ring:  No

Receiver bottom:  “W” is marked.  Also, directly in front of the trigger is a stamp “85”

I’m also missing the front site hood.  Need to find someplace reliable to order my missing parts.

Rick

December 17, 2019
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Hello Rick,

Your Model 94 Carbine was manufactured in March of 1939. It should not have a blank upper tang, If you can, send me a celar close-up picture of the upper tang.

Bert – Win1885@msn.com

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Information sent.  Sorry for the delay

Rick

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Bert H. said
Hello Rick,
Your Model 94 Carbine was manufactured in March of 1939. It should not have a blank upper tang, If you can, send me a celar close-up picture of the upper tang.
Bert – Win1885@msn.com  

Bert, i realize that this us an older post but I just picked up a 94 Carbine with a blank upper tang and single screw hole serial # 1348xxx.

Winchester PW mark on top of receiver and barrel. It seems to be in the missing records time period. Is this a common Tang for this age group. All my other 94s have marking, have 2 screws and are early vintage. May I email you pictures for your benefit and mine?

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Robinsonmike@advancedautotrends.com said

Bert, i realize that this us an older post but I just picked up a 94 Carbine with a blank upper tang and single screw hole serial # 1348xxx.

Winchester PW mark on top of receiver and barrel. It seems to be in the missing records time period. Is this a common Tang for this age group. All my other 94s have marking, have 2 screws and are early vintage. May I email you pictures for your benefit and mine?  

Please list the complete serial number.  There is no such thing as “missing records time period”.  

Yes you can email pictures to me at Win1885@msn.com

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May 12, 2021
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Emails send. Thanks.

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I have no markings on my tang upper or lower also. SN. 1522153 my rifle is in serious disrepair as it had from the best of my knowledge survived a fire. The stock and for grip are gone and then it sat for 20years rusting away. I got the action to cycle and got everything moving nice and smoothly. I haven’t been able to get the rifle apart as of yet due to seized screws. I’m on my phone and very new so I don’t know how to post pictures. Thanks for any information I can get. 

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I have no markings on my tang upper or lower also. SN. 1522153 my rifle is in serious disrepair as it had from the best of my knowledge survived a fire. The stock and for grip are gone and then it sat for 20years rusting away. I got the action to cycle and got everything moving nice and smoothly. I haven’t been able to get the rifle apart as of yet due to seized screws. I’m on my phone and very new so I don’t know how to post pictures. Thanks for any information I can get.   

Vince,

Your Model 94 Carbine (Flat-band) was manufactured in August 1948, and by that time Winchester had ceased marking the upper tangs.

Which caliber is it (e.g. 30 W.C.F., or 32 W.S., or 25-35 W.C.F.)?

Before attempting to take it apart, apply Kroil to all of the visible screws, and let it soak for at least 12-hours.

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It’s a 32ws and Ive used several different penetrating oils and none have been successful. Is there a Canadian website that is known for parts? It’s difficult to find parts for this rifle here. 

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Vince Stambulic said
It’s a 32ws and Ive used several different penetrating oils and none have been successful. Is there a Canadian website that is known for parts? It’s difficult to find parts for this rifle here.   

I cannot answer that question for you… Hopefully one of our Canadian WACA members can answer your question about parts sourcing.

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Thanks. I’ve been trying to upload pictures but don’t think I can with my phone. 

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Vince Stambulic said
Thanks. I’ve been trying to upload pictures but don’t think I can with my phone.   

As a “WACA Guset”, you cannot directly upload pictures to the forum.  Instead, you need to upload them to a Photo hosting website, and then post the URL to them here.

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Vince,

Your old Carbine is certainly in rough shape. My concern would be the temper of the steel in the receiver & barrel if it went through a fire. Also of concern is how much steel is eventually removed in the process of getting rid of the corrosion and scale on the various parts. Lastly, I suspect that buying all of the individual parts needed to bring it back to life is going to cost you 2X – 3X what the gun would ever be worth.

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I figured as much. I was thinking of just getting the parts to make.it look good and use it as a display piece. 

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