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I have spent a lot of time looking for information on the rates of rifling twist for the many different calibres of the 1885.
Pretty sure I saw a schedule but can now longer find it.
Does anyone have this info?
Look forward to hearing from someone.
Peter
Hello Peter,
I have the information yo are looking for. Please provide a list of the calibers/cartridges you are interested in, and I will put together a corresponding list of the twist rates for you for for you. Much of the information I have is contained within the original Winchester catalogs of the period when the Model 1885 was still in production.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Hi Bert, could you perhaps please advise me of the rate of twist for a 1885 in .45-90 and one in .40-70 SS. The rifle was originally .45-90 and was rebarreled in .40-70 at some time in its life. Very many thanks, Kieran, Cheltenham, England.
Kieran said
Hi Bert, could you perhaps please advise me of the rate of twist for a 1885 in .45-90 and one in .40-70 SS. The rifle was originally .45-90 and was rebarreled in .40-70 at some time in its life. Very many thanks, Kieran, Cheltenham, England.
Below is the complete list that I recently posted;
Center fire
| Cartridge | Year Introduced | Twist Rate | Std. Length | Std. Size | Optional Sizes |
| 22 Stevens {22-15-60} | 1896 | ? | 26-inch | No. 1 | No. 2 |
| 22 CAL W.C.F. or 22 W.C.F. L.W. | 1885 | 1:20 | 26-inch | No. 1 | No. 2 |
| 22 CAL W.C.F. or 22 W.C.F. H.W. | 26-inch | No. 1 | No. 2, 3, 4, 5 | ||
| 236 USN {6mm Lee Navy} | 1895 | 1:7.5 | 30-inch | No. 3 | Unknown |
| 25 W.C.F. or 25-20 S.S. L.W. | 1882 | 1:12 | 28-inch | No. 1 | No. 2 |
| 25 W.C.F. or 25-20 S.S. H.W. | 30-inch | No. 3 | No. 1, 2, 4, 5 | ||
| 25-21 Stevens | 1897 | 1:14 | 28-inch | No. 2 | No. 1, 3, 4, 5 |
| 25-25 Stevens | 1895 | 1:17 | 30-inch | No. 3 | No. 1, 2, 4, 5 |
| 25 W.C.F. or 25-20 W.C.F. L.W. | 1895 | 1:14 | 28-inch | No. 1 | No. 2 |
| 25 W.C.F. or 25-20 W.C.F. H.W. | 30-inch | No. 3 | No. 1, 2, 4, 5 | ||
| 25-35 W.C.F. | 1895 | 1:8 | 30-inch | No. 3 | No. 3½, 4, 5 |
| 30 U.S. or .30 ARMY | 1892 | 1:10 | 30-inch | No. 3 | No. 3½, 4 |
| 30 W.C.F. | 1895 | 1:12 | 30-inch | No. 3 | No. 3½, 4 |
| .30 GOVT. 1906. | 1906 | 1:10 | 30-inch | No. 3 | Unknown |
| 303 BRITISH | 1888 | 1:12 | 30-inch | No. 3 | No. 3½, 4 |
| 32 SHORT {Colt} | 1875 | 1:36 | 28-inch | No. 1 | No. 2, 3, 4, 5 |
| 32 LONG {Colt} L.W. | 1875 | 1:36 | 28-inch | No. 1 | No. 2, 3, 4, 5 |
| 32 LONG {Colt} H.W. | |||||
| 32 BALLARD EX {Extra Long} | 1879 | 1:36 | 28-inch | No. 1 | No. 2, 3, 4, 5 |
| 32 CAL W.C.F. or 32 W.C.F. L.W. | 1882 | 1:20 | 28/15-inch2 | No. 1 | No. 2 |
| 32 CAL W.C.F. or 32 W.C.F. H.W. | 28/30-inch | No. 3 | No. 1, 2, 4, 5 | ||
| 32 IDEAL H.W. | 1903 | 1:18 | 28/30-inch | No. 3 | No. 1, 2, 4, 5 |
| 32 IDEAL L.W. | 26-inch | No. 1 | No. 2, | ||
| CAL 32-40, 32-40, or 32-40 | 1884 | 1:16 | 30-inch | No. 3 | No. 2, 4, 5 |
| 32 W.S. {Winchester Special} | 1902 | 1:16 | 30-inch | No. 3 | No. 3½, 4 |
| 33 W.C.F. | 1902 | 1:12 | 30-inch | No. 3 | No. 3½, 4, 5 |
| 35 W.C.F. | 1903 | 1:12 | 30-inch | No. 3½ | No. 3, 4 |
| 38 LONG {Colt} | 1875 | 1:36 | 28-inch | No. 1 | No. 2, 3, 4, 5 |
| 38 BALLARD EX {Extra Long} | 1885 | 1:36 | 28-inch | No. 1 | No. 2, 3, 4, 5 |
| 38 CAL W.C.F. or 38 W.CF. L.W. | 1879 | 1:36 | 28/15-inch2 | No. 1 | No. 2 |
| 38 CAL W.C.F. or 38 W.CF. H.W. | 28/30-inch | No. 3 | No. 1, 2, 4, 5 | ||
| CAL 38-55 or 38-55 | 1884 | 1:18 | 30-inch | No. 3 | No. 2, 4, 5 |
| 38-56 W.C.F. | 1885 | 1:20 | 30-inch | No. 3 | No. 2, 4, 5 |
| 38-70 {Winchester} | 1894 | 1:24 | 30-inch | No. 3 | No. 2, 4, 5 |
| 38-72 W.C.F. | 1895 | 1:22 | 30-inch | No. 3 | No. 2, 4, 5 |
| 38 EX. (38-90 Winchester Express) | 1886 | 1:26 | 30-inch | No. 3 | No. 2, 4, 5 |
| 40-50 SHARPS STR or 40-50 S.S. | 1879 | 1:18 | 30-inch | No. 3 | No. 2, 4, 5 |
| 40-50 S.N. | 1869 | 1:18 | 30-inch | No. 3 | No. 2, 4, 5 |
| CAL 40-60 W.C.F., 40-60 WINCHESTER, or 40-60 W.C.F. | 1876 | 1:40 | 30/32-inch5 | No. 3 | No. 2, 4, 5 |
| 40-60 M. {Marlin} | 1881 | 1:20 | 30/32-inch5 | No. 3 | No. 2, 4, 5 |
| 40-65 W.C.F. | 1887 | 1:20 | 30-inch | No. 3 | No. 2, 4, 5 |
| CAL 40-70 BALLARD or 40-70 BAL | 1881 | 1:20 | 30-inch | No. 3 | No. 2, 4, 5 |
| CAL 40-70 SHARPS STR., 40-70 SHARPS STR., or 40-70 S.S. | 1876 | 1:20 | 30-inch | No. 3 | No. 2, 4, 5 |
| 40-70 W.C.F. | 1894 | 1:20 | 30-inch | No. 3 | No. 2, 4, 5 |
| 40-82 W.C.F. | 1885 | 1:28 | 30-inch | No. 3 | No. 2, 4, 5 |
| 40-90 BALLARD or 40-90 BAL | 1881 | 1:18 | 30-inch | No. 3 | No. 2, 4, 5 |
| CAL 40-90 SHARPS STR or 40-90 S.S. | 1885 | 1:18 | 30-inch | No. 3 | No. 2, 4, 5 |
| 40 EX. {40-110 Winchester Express} | 1886 | 1:28 | 30-inch | No. 3 | No. 2, 4, 5 |
| 405 W.C.F. | 1904 | 1:14 | 30-inch | No. 3, 4 | |
| .44 CAL W.C.F. or 44 W.C.F. L.W. | 1873 |
1:36 |
28-inch | No. 1 | No. 2 |
| .44 CAL W.C.F. or 44 W.C.F. H.W. | 28/30-inch | No. 3 | No. 1, 2, 4, 5 | ||
| 44 W.C.F. L.W.C. | 15-inch2 | – | None | ||
| 45-60 W.C.F. | 1879 | 1:20 | 30-inch | No. 3 | No. 2, 4, 5 |
| 45-70 or 45-70 GOV’T. Musket | 1873 | 1:22 | 32-inch5 | – | None |
| 45-70 or 45-70 GOV’T. | 30-inch | No. 3 | No. 2, 4, 5 | ||
| CAL 45-70 SHARPS STR. | 1875 | 1:18 | 30-inch | No. 3 | No. 2, 4, 5 |
| 45-75 W.C.F. | 1876 | 1:20 | 30-inch | No. 3 | No. 2, 4, 5 |
| CAL 45-90 BALLARD | 1878 | ? | 30-inch | No. 3 | No. 2, 4, 5 |
| 45-90 W.C.F. | 1886 | 1:32 | 30/32-inch5 | No. 3 | No. 2, 4, 5 |
| 45 EX. {45-125 Winchester Express} | 1886 | 1:36 | 30-inch | No. 3 | No. 2, 4, 5 |
| 45 ELEY | 1877 | 1:22 | 30-inch | No. 3 | No. 2, 4, 5 |
| 45 SHARPS 2 4/10” | 1877 | 1:18 | 30-inch | No. 3 | No. 2, 4, 5 |
| 45 SHARPS 2 6/10” | 1876 | 1:18 | 30-inch | No. 3 | No. 2, 4, 5 |
| 45 SHARPS 2 3/4” | 1876 | 1:18 | 30-inch | No. 3 | No. 2, 4, 5 |
| 45 SHARPS 2 7/8” | 1876 | 1:18 | 30-inch | No. 3 | No. 2, 4, 5 |
| 45 SHARPS 3 1/4” | 1878 | 1:18 | 30-inch | No. 3 | No. 2, 4, 5 |
| 50 ELEY EX. | 1865 | 1:60 | 30-inch | No. 3 | No. 2, 4, 5 |
| 50-90 Sharps | 1872 | 1:36 | 30-inch | No. 3 | No. 2, 4, 5 |
| 50 SHARPS 3 1/4” | 1880 | 1:44 | 30-inch | No. 3 | No. 2, 4, 5 |
| 50-95 W.C.F. {Winchester Express} | 1879 | 1:60 | 30-inch | No. 3 | No. 2, 4, 5 |
| 50-100-450 {Express} | 1892 | 1:54 | 30-inch | No. 3 | No. 2, 4, 5 |
| 50 EX. {50-110 Express} | 1892 | 1:60 | 30-inch | No. 3 | No. 2, 4, 5 |
| 50 EX. {50-140 EX} | 1880 | ? | 30-inch | No. 3 | No. 2, 4, 5 |
| 577 ELEY | 1870 | 1:33 | 30-inch | No. 3 | No. 2, 4, 5 |
| 20 GA. | 1913 | Smooth bore | 26-inch | FULL | MOD or CYL |
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert,
I believe you have a minor typo for the 38 W.C.F. as it was not introduced in 1874 but in 1879.
Sincerely,
Maverick
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