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Rate of twist for each calibre 1885 model?
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 Just joined as a guest being in the UK.

I have spent a lot of time looking for information on the rates of rifling twist for the many different calibres of the 1885. 

Pretty sure I saw a schedule but can now longer find it.

Does anyone have this info?

Look forward to hearing from someone.

Peter

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Hello Peter,

I have the information yo are looking for.  Please provide a list of the calibers/cartridges you are interested in, and I will put together a corresponding list of the twist rates for you for for you.  Much of the information I have is contained within the original Winchester catalogs of the period when the Model 1885 was still in production. 

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Hi Bert, could you perhaps please advise me of the rate of twist for a 1885 in .45-90 and one in .40-70 SS.   The rifle was originally .45-90 and was rebarreled in .40-70 at some time in its life.  Very many thanks, Kieran, Cheltenham, England. 

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Kieran said
Hi Bert, could you perhaps please advise me of the rate of twist for a 1885 in .45-90 and one in .40-70 SS.   The rifle was originally .45-90 and was rebarreled in .40-70 at some time in its life.  Very many thanks, Kieran, Cheltenham, England.   

Below is the complete list that I recently posted;

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Cartridge  Year Introduced Twist Rate Std. Length Std. Size Optional Sizes
22 Stevens {22-15-60} 1896 ? 26-inch No. 1 No. 2
22 CAL W.C.F. or 22 W.C.F.              L.W.            1885 1:20 26-inch No. 1 No. 2
22 CAL W.C.F. or 22 W.C.F.              H.W.            26-inch No. 1 No. 2, 3, 4, 5
236 USN {6mm Lee Navy} 1895 1:7.5 30-inch No. 3 Unknown
25 W.C.F. or 25-20 S.S.                   L.W. 1882 1:12 28-inch No. 1 No. 2
25 W.C.F. or 25-20 S.S.                   H.W. 30-inch No. 3 No. 1, 2, 4, 5
25-21 Stevens 1897 1:14 28-inch No. 2 No. 1, 3, 4, 5
25-25 Stevens 1895 1:17 30-inch No. 3 No. 1, 2, 4, 5
25 W.C.F. or 25-20 W.C.F.              L.W. 1895 1:14 28-inch No. 1 No. 2
25 W.C.F. or 25-20 W.C.F.              H.W. 30-inch No. 3 No. 1, 2, 4, 5
25-35 W.C.F.                           1895 1:8 30-inch No. 3 No. 3½, 4, 5
30 U.S. or .30 ARMY 1892 1:10 30-inch No. 3 No. 3½, 4
30 W.C.F.                                1895 1:12 30-inch No. 3 No. 3½, 4
.30 GOVT. 1906. 1906 1:10 30-inch No. 3 Unknown
303 BRITISH 1888 1:12 30-inch No. 3 No. 3½, 4
32 SHORT {Colt} 1875 1:36 28-inch No. 1 No. 2, 3, 4, 5
32 LONG {Colt}                             L.W. 1875 1:36 28-inch No. 1 No. 2, 3, 4, 5
32 LONG {Colt}                             H.W.      
32 BALLARD EX {Extra Long} 1879 1:36 28-inch No. 1 No. 2, 3, 4, 5
32 CAL W.C.F. or 32 W.C.F.              L.W. 1882 1:20 28/15-inch2 No. 1 No. 2
32 CAL W.C.F. or 32 W.C.F.             H.W. 28/30-inch No. 3 No. 1, 2, 4, 5
32 IDEAL                                        H.W. 1903 1:18 28/30-inch No. 3 No. 1, 2, 4, 5
32 IDEAL                                        L.W. 26-inch No. 1 No. 2,
CAL 32-40, 32-40, or 32-40 1884 1:16 30-inch No. 3 No. 2, 4, 5
32 W.S. {Winchester Special} 1902 1:16 30-inch No. 3 No. 3½, 4
33 W.C.F.                                1902 1:12 30-inch No. 3 No. 3½, 4, 5
35 W.C.F. 1903 1:12 30-inch No. 3½ No. 3, 4
38 LONG {Colt} 1875 1:36 28-inch No. 1 No. 2, 3, 4, 5
38 BALLARD EX {Extra Long} 1885 1:36 28-inch No. 1 No. 2, 3, 4, 5
38 CAL  W.C.F. or  38 W.CF.             L.W.           1879 1:36 28/15-inch2 No. 1 No. 2
38 CAL  W.C.F. or  38 W.CF.            H.W.           28/30-inch No. 3 No. 1, 2, 4, 5
CAL 38-55 or 38-55 1884 1:18 30-inch No. 3 No. 2, 4, 5
38-56 W.C.F.                           1885 1:20 30-inch No. 3 No. 2, 4, 5
38-70 {Winchester} 1894 1:24 30-inch No. 3 No. 2, 4, 5
38-72 W.C.F.                           1895 1:22 30-inch No. 3 No. 2, 4, 5
38 EX. (38-90 Winchester Express)     1886 1:26 30-inch No. 3 No. 2, 4, 5
40-50 SHARPS STR or 40-50 S.S. 1879 1:18 30-inch No. 3 No. 2, 4, 5
40-50 S.N. 1869 1:18 30-inch No. 3 No. 2, 4, 5
CAL 40-60 W.C.F., 40-60 WINCHESTER, or 40-60 W.C.F. 1876 1:40 30/32-inch5 No. 3 No. 2, 4, 5
40-60 M. {Marlin} 1881 1:20 30/32-inch5 No. 3 No. 2, 4, 5
40-65 W.C.F.                           1887 1:20 30-inch No. 3 No. 2, 4, 5
CAL 40-70 BALLARD or 40-70 BAL 1881 1:20 30-inch No. 3 No. 2, 4, 5
CAL 40-70 SHARPS STR., 40-70 SHARPS STR., or 40-70 S.S. 1876 1:20 30-inch No. 3 No. 2, 4, 5
40-70 W.C.F. 1894 1:20 30-inch No. 3 No. 2, 4, 5
40-82 W.C.F.                           1885 1:28 30-inch No. 3 No. 2, 4, 5
40-90 BALLARD or 40-90 BAL 1881 1:18 30-inch No. 3 No. 2, 4, 5
CAL 40-90 SHARPS STR or 40-90 S.S. 1885 1:18 30-inch No. 3 No. 2, 4, 5
40 EX. {40-110 Winchester Express}    1886 1:28 30-inch No. 3 No. 2, 4, 5
405 W.C.F.                              1904 1:14 30-inch   No. 3, 4
.44 CAL  W.C.F. or 44 W.C.F.            L.W.  
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1:36
28-inch No. 1 No. 2
.44 CAL  W.C.F. or 44 W.C.F.           H.W. 28/30-inch No. 3 No. 1, 2, 4, 5
44 W.C.F.                                     L.W.C. 15-inch2 None
45-60 W.C.F.                           1879 1:20 30-inch No. 3 No. 2, 4, 5
45-70 or 45-70 GOV’T.               Musket 1873 1:22 32-inch5 None
45-70 or 45-70 GOV’T. 30-inch No. 3 No. 2, 4, 5
CAL 45-70 SHARPS STR. 1875 1:18 30-inch No. 3 No. 2, 4, 5
45-75 W.C.F.                           1876 1:20 30-inch No. 3 No. 2, 4, 5
CAL 45-90 BALLARD 1878 ? 30-inch No. 3 No. 2, 4, 5
45-90 W.C.F.                           1886 1:32 30/32-inch5 No. 3 No. 2, 4, 5
45 EX. {45-125 Winchester Express}    1886 1:36 30-inch No. 3 No. 2, 4, 5
45 ELEY 1877 1:22 30-inch No. 3 No. 2, 4, 5
45 SHARPS 2 4/10 1877 1:18 30-inch No. 3 No. 2, 4, 5
45 SHARPS 2 6/10 1876 1:18 30-inch No. 3 No. 2, 4, 5
45 SHARPS 2 3/4 1876 1:18 30-inch No. 3 No. 2, 4, 5
45 SHARPS 2 7/8 1876 1:18 30-inch No. 3 No. 2, 4, 5
45 SHARPS 3 1/4 1878 1:18 30-inch No. 3 No. 2, 4, 5
50 ELEY EX. 1865 1:60 30-inch No. 3 No. 2, 4, 5
50-90 Sharps 1872 1:36 30-inch No. 3 No. 2, 4, 5
50 SHARPS 3 1/4” 1880 1:44 30-inch No. 3 No. 2, 4, 5
50-95 W.C.F. {Winchester Express} 1879 1:60 30-inch No. 3 No. 2, 4, 5
50-100-450 {Express} 1892 1:54 30-inch No. 3 No. 2, 4, 5
50 EX. {50-110 Express} 1892 1:60 30-inch No. 3 No. 2, 4, 5
50 EX. {50-140 EX}                            1880 ? 30-inch No. 3 No. 2, 4, 5
577 ELEY 1870 1:33 30-inch No. 3 No. 2, 4, 5
20 GA. 1913 Smooth bore 26-inch FULL MOD or CYL

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Bert,

I believe you have a minor typo for the 38 W.C.F. as it was not introduced in 1874 but in 1879.

Sincerely,

Maverick

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