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My first post:

My 53 is a solid frame 32-20 serial # 2345.

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Hello Chris,

Have you checked the barrel date ? The serial number was applied in late December of 1924.

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Hello Bert,

I just checked. It is a “25”.

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Where are all the 44’s? Seems like most are 32-20’s.   Big Larry

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I’ve got a solid frame,

25-20

serial# 2548

 

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Erin Grivicich said
I’ve got a solid frame,

25-20

serial# 2548

 

Erin  

Erin,

What is the barrel date?

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Big Larry said
Where are all the 44’s? Seems like most are 32-20’s.   Big Larry  

Actually, most Model 53 rifles are 25-20s (50%).  The 32 WCF and 44 WCF make up the other 50%.

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Bert H. said

Actually, most Model 53 rifles are 25-20s (50%).  The 32 WCF and 44 WCF make up the other 50%.

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I have # 507, and it is one of my most prized guns. A 44 also.   Big Larry

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Bert H. said

Erin,

What is the barrel date?

Bert  

Bert,

It’s 24

 

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Erin Grivicich said

Bert,

It’s 24

 

Erin  

Thanks… more data for the survey is good!

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Thank you, Erin and Chris, for that data. I have added it to the Model 53 survey. Those barrel dates are especially appreciated, as they reveal details of production that would otherwise be unattainable. I am only 10 Model 53’s away from hitting the 5% level of total production.

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Your more than welcome, glad I could be of assistance.

Is 5% the cutoff number where you have enough data to extrapolate production statistics or a goal you set? Just curious……….

 

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Erin, many years ago, I read somewhere that if one can get a sampling of at least 5%, they can get meaningful estimates. Whether I remember correctly or not, I cannot say. However, every percentage point is a milestone. If I ever hit 10% I will be doing some serious cork-popping.

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I too believe that a 5% sample rate of the total production allows for the ability to mathematically extrapolate the total production statistics with a relatively high degree of accuracy. When I wrote my article on the Model 55 back in 2012, which included the extrapolated production statistics from the then current survey results, the sample rate was a mere 1.35% (refer to the article for the numbers). Today, I have surveyed 5.4% of the total, and as you can see below, the statistics are only slightly different, but are definitely more accurate.

Observed Cartridge Chambering Totals & Percentages
Model 30 W.C.F. 25-35 W.C.F. 32 W.S. 32-40 38-55 Unknown Total
55 702 86 233 0 5 87 1,026
Est. 60 7 20 0 0   1,113
Extrap. 762 93 253 0 5    
% of 68.42% 8.38% 22.71% 0.00% 0.49%    
               
Observed Serial Number Range and Frame Types Totals & Percentages
Model 12,002 8,578 Total Take Down Solid Total  
55 615 498 1,113 906 207 1,113  
% of 5.124% 5.806% 5.408% 81.40% 18.60%    
               
Caliber and Frame Type Extrapolated Totals & Percentages
30 W.C.F. 68.42% 14,081   Frame Type Qty %  
32 W.S. 22.71% 4,674   Take Down 16,752 81.40%  
25-35 WCF 8.38% 1,725   Solid 3,828 18.60%  
38-55 0.49% 100          
Total 100.00% 20,580   Total 20,580 100.00%  

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M53 take-down, .25-20, s.n. 10409, 22″ bbl.  I believe it was manufactured in 1928.

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Carl,

Per the original Winchester records, your Model 53 Take Down Rifle was manufactured in early April 1927. Accordingly, I would expect it to have a “27” marked barrel. To view the barrel date, you first need to take it down, and then remove the forend stock nosecap to pull the stock off of the barrel (this provides great access to areas that may need some cleaning). The 2-digit year number is stamped on the bottom of the barrel just inside the area where the magazine tube threads into the take down extension ring.

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Is there any production data covering the Stainless Steel barrels used for the model 53 and model 55?  RDB

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Roger,

In my research survey of the Model 55, I have verified (26) thus far with a Stainless Steel barrel. The Model 53 survey has (17) verified with a Stainless Steel barrel. Overall, stainless barrels are a bit more common than many collectors believe.

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The bottom of my barrel is stamped “MNS” with a VP in an oval and “.25-20 WCF” and a date stamp of “28”.

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Carl Bachhuber said
The bottom of my barrel is stamped “MNS” with a VP in an oval and “.25-20 WCF” and a date stamp of “28”.

Carl.  

The “28” dated barrel is interesting but not totally unexpected.  The “MNS” is short for Midvale Nickel Steel.

Thanks for the additional information.

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