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Wow, my # 1416238X has the serrated hammer. No, the “X” is not a number. It’s a duplicate serial number.   Big Larry

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Wow, my # 1416238X has the serrated hammer. No, the “X” is not a number. It’s a duplicate serial number.   Big Larry

Larry,

That is why I asked Al the question… the transition from the checkered hammer to the serrated hammer took place somewhere between Al’s Flat-band Carbine and your Flat-band Carbine.

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Bert,

What’s the earliest Flat band serial number do you have in your survey?

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Al,

I suspect that regular production of the Flat-band began at or near serial number 1373600. These are the first ten serial numbers I have.

1370504
1373613
1374360
1374401
1374403
1374649
1375557
1375563
1375686
1375869

The ending serial number range is near 1551000. These are final (11) serial numbers I have surveyed, and I suspect the final three were parts clean-up;

1545143
1545392
1545518
1546523
1546817
1547291
1549352
1550753
1556405
1557072
1560648

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m94-3535.JPGImage EnlargerBert, I finally broke into the Model 94 25-35 WCF zone. Just picked up #1380797  Flat-band, checkered hammer.

It joins my Flat-band #1380733 30WCF. (Which you already have)Probably the closest I’ll get to consecutive 94 numbers. However I would bet its the closest these two 94s have been to each other since their last time in New Haven 70+ years ago .   

As a side note to Big Larry, I finally have one of each Model 1894/94 production calibers.

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m94-3535.JPGImage EnlargerBert, I finally broke into the Model 94 25-35 WCF zone. Just picked up #1380797  Flat-band, checkered hammer.

It joins my Flat-band #1380733 30WCF. (Which you already have)Probably the closest I’ll get to consecutive 94 numbers. However I would bet its the closest these two 94s have been to each other since their last time in New Haven 70+ years ago .   

As a side note to Big Larry, I finally have one of each Model 1894/94 production calibers.  

Thanks… I have added it to the survey.  I have serial numbers 1380792 and 1380793 (both 25-35 WCF) listed in my survey.  It appears that Winchester made a batch of them in that serial number range.

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art9432ws.pngImage EnlargerBert,

Please add one more Model 94 #1364052 no flat-band or tang markings or drilled tang. has checkered butt plate in 32 WS

 

I’m curious how many total 94s do you have in your survey in the 1380700-99 range?  I have a special interest in the 1300000 to 1399999 range. As you have stated before there were many changes during this period of pre and post warM94s

 

Thanks Dan

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Dan,

In the 1380700 – 799 range, I have just three serial numbers 792, 793, and 797, all are 25-35s.

In the 1300000 – 1399999 range, I have recorded 1,467 Model 94s, and 264 Model 64s.  In that 100,000 serial number range, I have recorded a total of 1,740 serial numbers which is 1.74%.  Fortunately I have no gaps > 200 serial numbers anywhere inside that entire range of serial numbers.  That has allowed me to narrow down the production changes to very tight serial number ranges.

Yes, there were indeed many production changes that were made in that time period (I listed them below), and a lot more production changes occurred in the years through 1952;

1.  Type 7 UT marking – No upper tang marking

2.  Drilled & Tapped UT – No tang sight screw hole

3.  Serrated steel butt plate – Flat checkered steel butt plate

4.  Milled barrel band – Flat band

I really do appreciate everyone that shares or contributes to the research survey.  If you are a WACA member (not just a forum member), I can provide an e-copy of my survey to those that can open and read a Microsoft Office Excel file.

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Thank you , I find this information very informative and helpful as I continue to add to my collection.

I would like to take you up on the offer for an e-copy of your Model 1894/94 survey .   

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Bert, are there any consecutive serial numbers in your survey? I am constantly on the lookout  for a match to one of my 94s,

its a fun side hunt that a Winchester guy can enjoy. Well I’m a classic John Deere guy, so I’m always looking at those numbers too.  I’m not going to say what brand of PU I drive to start that debate up again.Confused 

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Bert, are there any consecutive serial numbers in your survey? I am constantly on the lookout  for a match to one of my 94s,

its a fun side hunt that a Winchester guy can enjoy. Well I’m a classic John Deere guy, so I’m always looking at those numbers too.  I’m not going to say what brand of PU I drive to start that debate up again.Confused   

Yes, I have a fair number of consecutive serial numbers in the survey (the serial numbers are hi-lighted in orange).

There is only one brand of PU to own, and it will have a Cummins TD in it Cool

I will send you a copy of my research survey shortly.

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Bert,

  Have you seen the ads for the Cummins equipped Nissan?!

Tim

PS.  I was bored, and thought I needed to stir up the pot again.  I think it is Nissan?  Anyway, one of the Japanese inspired pickups!

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Tim,

I have actually seen several of them in the flesh. Nissan got smart and contracted with Cummins to build a 5.0L V8 diesel engine for their U.S. built Titan PU. My only complaint is that it still just a 1/2 Ton truck. It cannot compete with my Dodge Ram 3500 for hauling/towing capacity.

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m94-3535.JPGImage EnlargerBert, I finally broke into the Model 94 25-35 WCF zone. Just picked up #1380797  Flat-band, checkered hammer.

It joins my Flat-band #1380733 30WCF. (Which you already have)Probably the closest I’ll get to consecutive 94 numbers. However I would bet its the closest these two 94s have been to each other since their last time in New Haven 70+ years ago .   

As a side note to Big Larry, I finally have one of each Model 1894/94 production calibers.  

 sgtsemo:

               Welcome to the 25-35 WCF zone. I have pretty much stayed with the carbines. My first centerfire was a 25-35 given to me for Xmas (1949) 

      If you ever decide to sell or trade your 25-35 s/n 1380797.  I would be very interested as I have s/n 1380793. (I know stick it WHERE??.  But you never gain unless you try}. I sure would like s/n 1380792 that Bert has in his survey. No idea who has it. 

               Bert; If you see this I would like a copy of the Model 94 flatband survey.  OK so I am trying to save another post.  Thank you’all.  RR

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 sgtsemo:

               Welcome to the 25-35 WCF zone. I have pretty much stayed with the carbines. My first centerfire was a 25-35 given to me for Xmas (1949) 

      If you ever decide to sell or trade your 25-35 s/n 1380797.  I would be very interested as I have s/n 1380793. (I know stick it WHERE??.  But you never gain unless you try}. I sure would like s/n 1380792 that Bert has in his survey. No idea who has it. 

               Bert; If you see this I would like a copy of the Model 94 flatband survey.  OK so I am trying to save another post.  Thank you’all.  RR  

Send me an email message and I will send a copy to you.

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Win 61 , The good news is you can have the right of first refusal on #1380797, you are  much closer than my #1380733 . Bad news is I can’t seem to sell anything Cry.

  Bert and Tim regarding those Nissan Pick-ups with the Cummings diesel …..well I have as much interest in them as the “Winchester” 94s made by Miroku for Browning. although both are said to be ok and well made  its just not the same. as a Ford F350 and a Pre 64 WinchesterCool Might have to start a new photo topic   “Trucks and Winchesters” .

Shouldn’t have said that till after Bert sent me his survey infoEmbarassed 

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Win 61 , The good news is you can have the right of first refusal on #1380797, you are  much closer than my #1380733 . Bad news is I can’t seem to sell anything Cry.

  Bert and Tim regarding those Nissan Pick-ups with the Cummings diesel …..well I have as much interest in them as the “Winchester” 94s made by Miroku for Browning. although both are said to be ok and well made  its just not the same. as a Ford F350 and a Pre 64 WinchesterCool Might have to start a new photo topic   “Trucks and Winchesters” .

Shouldn’t have said that till after Bert sent me his survey infoEmbarassed   

I sent you a copy of it at 9:26 AM PST… you should have received it hours ago.

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I guess my Gmail is as fast as the Pony Express. Has not come yet.

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Dan,

The attachment I sent with the email message to you is 1Mb. It was sent at 9:26 am today, and I did not receive an error message, or a “failed to deliver” message.

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