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Bert,

I don’t remember if I gave the information on a couple more 94’s I have

1) M/94 Std. carbine serial # 1278742 cal. 25-35 ……….I don’t think this one has ever been shot. Just had to get this in.  Laugh

2) M/94 Std. carbine serial # 1288028 cal 30 WCF

3) M/1894 SRC serial # 402411 cal 32 WS

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Len,

All three are new entries.

Thanks!
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Bert, another “W” marked M94 for the survey, #1248940 standard carbine  32WS. It’s interesting I have “W” marked #1242437 also in 32WS, Which has the Winchester New Haven Conn Markings on the Loading Gate side while #1248940 has it on the left side like my other Pre war and post war  examples. Any idea when that changed over in 1940?94ws2-1.pngImage Enlarger

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Bert, another “W” marked M94 for the survey, #1248940 standard carbine  32WS. It’s interesting I have “W” marked #1242437 also in 32WS, Which has the Winchester New Haven Conn Markings on the Loading Gate side while #1248940 has it on the left side like my other Pre war and post war  examples. Any idea when that changed over in 1940?94ws2-1.pngImage Enlarger

I do not know when that change was made… I never thought to include it in my survey data fields.  Thanks for the survey information.

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Bert,

My question is, how scarce is a ’94 rifle with a half octagon with a full magazine? I saw one at a local show that was a strong 80% plus at 2k. I did not pick up as I might have wanted it.

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Walter,

As a percentage of the whole production, that configuration in very uncommon… but not what I would refer to as “rare”. The majority of Model 1894 rifles with a 1/2 octagon barrel have a 1/2 (or button) magazine. That stated, there were several ten thousand Model 1894 rifles made with a 1/2 octagon barrel, and I suspect at least a few thousand with a Full magazine.

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Bert,

Thanks for the info. I will probably see that gun at the next show, and will send details to you. In your opinion, how rare are ’94 Trapper carbines with shorter than 16 inch barrels?

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Walter,

There were (291) Trappers with a < 16-inch barrel in the 1 – 353999 serial number range as follows;

14″ = 19
15″ = 272

In the 354000 – 1090560 serial number range, I have surveyed another (291) Trappers < 16-inches as follows;

14″ = 18
15″ = 273

The 15″ barrel was listed as the “standard” Trapper barrel length. I suspect that the total number of Model 1894/94 Trapper Carbines made exceeds 2,000. Not what I would exactly call “rare”, but certainly “uncommon” by measurable standards. Keep in mind that through the first 1.15-million Model 1894s made, approximately 52.5% were Rifles, leaving approximately 550,930 Carbines. If you assume a ratio of 2,000:550,930, that equates to 36 Trappers per 1,000 Carbines made, or just .36%.

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Bert, 

Thanks for the info. That is a more than I thought, but nothing surprises me any more with the research going on. Here a a few more ’94s for your study:

223029

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32 WS

Oct

Plain pistol grip checkered

Takedown

 

185637

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38-55

 

192820

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30 WCF

Round barrel

22 inches

Extra light

Plain pistol grip checkered

Lyman front and rear, Lyman leaf

1/2 mag

Shotgun Butt rubber

Takedown

 

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Walter,

You are welcome, and thanks for the information on your 1894s.  For the most part, I am only surveying those in the 1 – 9999 and 354000 – 2600011 serial number range.  The ARMAX survey covers all of them < 354000.

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Bert,

The ARMAX study does not include serial numbers. I am wrong?

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I will modify this statement. The ARMAX study list some serial numbers, but not all. Maybe my brain will work with my fingers.

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Walter,

The ARMAX survey was many hundreds of serial numbers listed in it, but it is not a comprehensive list of all serial numbers. What it does cover are specific numbers for many different specific items, e.g. calibers, barrel lengths, Take Downs, Multi-barrel sets, Engraved guns, Case Color finished, Set trigger, etc. that are in the 1 – 353999 serial number range. I did not feel that it was necessary to survey the serial numbers for which Cody has complete records for. What I am surveying, are all of the pre-64 production Model 1894/94s that Cody does not have records for. My research survey will provide an estimated production of how many in each caliber, how many Rifles & Carbines and the sub variations of each, how many Take Downs, and many of the various special order features. Further, it will define precisely when (the serial number range) that Winchester made most of the various production changes. It is also documenting how many Spruce Guns have been found, how many PCMR Carbines found, Belgian Congo Carbines, Canadian DCP marked Carbines, 94/95 Hybrids found, Patent date error guns, etc. As each day passes, I add an average of (6) new serial numbers to the survey, and in doing so, the production picture becomes slightly clearer each day. The good news is that I am surveying a finite number of serial numbers, and that number is growing smaller everyday. Currently, my survey is a living growing document, which will eventually become a clear picture of Winchester’s production history of the Model 1894/94/55/64.

I greatly value and truly appreciate the contributions to this effort that I have received from many of you thus far.

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Bert, 

This study is a job in itself. Thanks for the effort.

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Bert, 

This study is a job in itself. Thanks for the effort.

Walter

Walter,

It sure is, and I have been at it since early 2006 (for the Model 1894/94/55/64).  By comparison, my research surveys for the Models 43, 65, and 71 are easy.  The Model 1893/1897/97 survey is complex as well, and my Model 1885 survey is extremely complex (and I have been working on it for more than 35-years).

Are you able to download and read an Excel file?

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Bert,

Yes we can.

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Walter,

Send an email message to me with “Model 1894 Survey” as the subject title – [email protected]

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Bert,

For your survey, I just got a model 94 flat band, sn:1406579, .30wcf.

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Al,

Does it have a checkered (knurled) hammer, or the serrated style?

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Al,
Does it have a checkered (knurled) hammer, or the serrated style?
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checkered (knurled) hammer, and has the plain (no lettering, or drilled and tapped) upper tang.

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