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774875 added to the DCP survey. Commented on in the Winchester Military Firearm thread.
Regards
AlanD
Sydney
Hello, I have an 1892 44-40 saddle ring carbine with DCP marking.
Serial number 736343.
It was handed down to me from my father from his dad. Used still today for deer, has lots of character marking, no rust.
Not sure of mfg. date.
Online
Your DCP marked Model 1892 was manufactured near the end of the year 1913.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
WDWright said
Hello, I have an 1892 44-40 saddle ring carbine with DCP marking.Serial number 736343.
It was handed down to me from my father from his dad. Used still today for deer, has lots of character marking, no rust.
Not sure of mfg. date.
WDW
Send me an email at [email protected] and I will forward and article which will shed more light on the history of your rifle.
thanks for the info.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
WDWright
Thanks for posting. Your DCP Model 1892 SRC is quite an early one. The closest serial numbers to it, that I have so far recorded are 732740 and 738217.
Regards
AlanD
Sydney
aland said
Thats a good question Jim.
The short answer is its the initials of Dominion of Canada Proof or DCP for short.
In 1915 Britain was desperately short of rifles for its army, one way or obtaining more rifles was to take them off the Royal Navy. This meant that these navy rifles would have to be replaced with something. Arisaka rifles and carbines were sourced from Japan and Ross files from Canada.
In addition to these 20,000 Model 1892 SRC’s in 44WCF and 5,000 Model 1894 SRC’s in 30WCF were purchased through Winchester. These or at least most of them were inspected and proofed by Canadian inspectors on behalf of the British government at the Winchester factory. These carbines were then stamped with the proof mark of DCP through crossed pennants.
In addition to the Winchester carbines, 4,000 Remington Model 14 1/2 rifles were purchased through Remington and these were also inspected by Canadian inspectors and received the DCP mark. Also 4,500 Remington rolling block rifles in 7mm were also purchased.
The above carbines and rifles were mostly issued to trawlers and miscellaneous craft for protection against mines and German E and U boats. These is at least one noted instance of a Winchester ‘repeater’ being used against a German U boat to good effect, (damn good show!)
Hope the above is of interest.
Regards
AlanD
Sydney
I am looking at buying one of the 5000 winchesters from the royal army , any more info you have on it would be great ? This one has a stamp W.Edwards on it , does that mean anything to you?
The 5,000 Winchester Model 1894’s were purchased by Sir Trevor Dawson, Managing Director of Vickers Ltd, on behalf of the Admiralty. These carbines along with 4,000 Remington Model 14 1/2 rifles and 2,000 Winchester Model 1892 SRC’s and 250 Ross rifles – model as yet unknown- were purchased at the same time.
Theses were all intended to be issued to miscellaneous craft such as trawlers, thus allowing .303 rifles to be used at the front. In the 1920’s several thousand of the Model 1894’s were sold off through a company acting as the government agent, called A Fleming & Co.
The name on your rifles is most likley that of its owner after the carbine saw military service.
I have a data base of serial numbers of these DCP carbines and would like to add your guns serial number if you would like to share this.
Regards
AlanD
Hi blokes, I have an 1892 carbine that has the DCP stamp on the barrel.
The carbine’s serial number is 907653.
I’m told it was from a cattle station in western NSW.
Looks like it has had a wild life as there are lots of replacement bits and pieces that don’t match, and the receiver looks like someone cold blued it or something a long time ago and it has turned into a splotchy patchy finish,
so I’m thinking someone has put this barrel on this receiver?
G’day Owen
The highest serial number I have in my DCP survey is 792XXX, so with your carbines receiver being 907653, it will have been re barreled, the barrel happening to have the DCP marking.
Regards
AlanD
Thanks Alan, I figured that’d be the case.
I’ve been reading alot of what you’ve shared about Royal Navy carbines as I recently bought S.N.741420, I see the bloke I bought it from talked to you about it on here 2months ago.
Thank you for sharing so much information on them, made it very easy to find info on their history.
Do you expect there are still many in Australia that aren’t recorded in your data?
Alan,
Here is one listed in the upcoming Rock Island Auction – Two Winchester Lever Action Saddle Ring Carbines (rockislandauction.com)
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Alan and Michael, serial 741291 in New Zealand. Standard FM SRC like other DCP carbines.
Chris
A man can never have too many WINCHESTERS...
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