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Any One doing a Survey on the Model 1886
April 23, 2016
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  Just wondering if any one is doing a survey on the Model 1886.Did not see one listed on the Research Survey list.Have a couple of rifles if any one is doing a survey.

April 23, 2016
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The 86 records have been gone through, compiled and published in the Spring 1991 issue page 39  of the Winchester Collector.

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April 23, 2016
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I looked up that issue and found survey results for the Model 1866 (Yellowboy) but not for the Model 1886 (John M. Browning design).  Turns out the title of the article has an error (typo) and states 1866 but the data is for the 1886 model.

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April 23, 2016
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 Is the person who wrote the article still looking for more rifles to add to the list or is the project  closed?As I had stated earlier, I have a couple of rifles that could be added.

 

   From the post above it would appear that the article was written by going through the records of the Model 1886 and not a survey.It is my understanding that certain blocks of 1886 records are missing from these records.Could be wrong ,but that is my understanding at the present time.Smile

April 23, 2016
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John Madl has been doing research on the 1886 for the past 30+ years, a lot of data and specifics can be found in his book that was published about 6-7 years ago. Generally John is the guy that most folks call when they want to authenticate a rare or unusual 1886.

April 23, 2016
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  Very interesting,Mike.Thanks for posting.Is the book still available?

April 23, 2016
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Here is the link to John Madl's 1886 info and book. I don't know if he is looking for any survey rifles. There are records for the majority of 1886's and there had been a study of the existing records completed and re-checked by several individuals. Out of approx. 157,000, there are 4800 missing records (146,000 thru 150,799) according to Johns book.

http://www.lssu.edu/faculty/jmadl/

Hope this helps,

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April 24, 2016
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 Thanks for the link.One of the 1886 rifles I have, falls in the number of the missing records.

April 24, 2016
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I happen to own 150418 which also falls in the no records range. Its a 33 WCF 1/2 mag w/ crescent butt. Its in fairly low condition, but has a very faint Browning Bros. stamp on the barrel which always made it a little more appealing.  I have a deal made to get that one sold fairly soon. I always wished it was letterable.

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April 25, 2016
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If we believe that 160,000 Model 1886s were made (the highest known serial number is 159997), there are 8,200 missing ledger records. John Madl and John Hawk completed a very extensive survey of the surviving 151,800 records. A survey could be created for serial numbers 146000 - 150799 and 156600 - 160000 to supplement the existing survey.

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April 25, 2016
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Bert,

Is this your new assignment? I know you  do not have much to do, do you?   Hi....

Walter

April 25, 2016
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wallyb said

Bert,

Is this your new assignment? I know you  do not have much to do, do you?   Hi....

Walter

Walter,

Sure... but you are now my No.  1 assistant in this survey...

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April 26, 2016
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I am going to put together an excel spreadsheet today, and with it the list of items to include in the survey.  Inputs from all interested collectors will be appreciated.  Contact me via PM or email with your suggestions.

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