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1894 survey
January 4, 2016
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Bert,

I've got some 1894's for your surveys.

1. 335583, half round, half mag, crescent butt, rifle, 25-35.

2. 409431, 26" round standard rifle, 38-55.

3. 101400, 26" Oct. standard rifle, 30 WCF.

4. 241289, 26" Oct. standard rifle, 32-40.

5. 624295, src, half mag, sgb. 30 WCF.

6. 958604, src, 32 ws.

7. 69935, 26" Oct., pistol grip, sgb. 30 WCF.

8. 1052408, eastern carbine, button mag, 38-55.

9. 166503, 26" Oct. standard rifle, 30 WCF.

Hope this helps. You may have some of these already.

Jeff

January 5, 2016
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jschaal said

Bert,

I've got some 1894's for your surveys.
 
2. 409431, 26" round standard rifle, 38-55.
 
5. 624295, src, half mag, sgb. 30 WCF.

6. 958604, src, 32 ws.
 
8. 1052408, eastern carbine, button mag, 38-55.
 
Hope this helps. You may have some of these already.

Jeff

Jeff,

Which type of butt plate does #5 have?  Does it have a fluted comb butt stock?

Thanks for the new survey data, items 2, 5, and 6 are new entries.

Bert

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January 5, 2016
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Steel butt, non fluted

January 5, 2016
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Smooth steel or serrated, or like a Model 64?

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January 5, 2016
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Smooth steel.

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jschaal said

Smooth steel.

Thanks... I am attempting a very thorough survey, and all of the small details help accomplish that.

Bert

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January 6, 2016
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Bert,

Here's a rare one for your survey, if you haven't already added it. How many model 94's do you suppose exist with these features?

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=532171513

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January 6, 2016
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tionesta1 said

Bert,

Here's a rare one for your survey, if you haven't already added it. How many model 94's do you suppose exist with these features?

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=532171513

Al

Al,

Thanks... definitely a rare configuration rifle!

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January 6, 2016
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That's a great configuration, possibly one of a kind. Very cool.

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January 6, 2016
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It went for $5,911.86. Is that about right for that particular rifle?

January 7, 2016
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It's not super fancy, or high condition, but there's nothing to compare it to so the price doesn't surprise. I like it, several scarce features.

~Gary~

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January 8, 2016
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This is the rifle I mentioned a few weeks ago on the discussion about the meaning of "fancy stock". This is definetely a rare 94 . I believe the lever has been re cased and someone has been messin, with the screws, only My opinion. I don't know if it actually sold though as the seller was wanting considerably more than $6,000.00 for it. I will see him in Louisville next weekend and find out.     Henry

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January 9, 2016
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Henry,

It sold on Gun Broker for $5,911.86 Click on the link above.

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March 1, 2016
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This same rifle made it's way to Cabelas today and sold for just $3,599.  Somebody got a great deal and beat me to it.  Once in awhile you can actually can get a good deal at Cabelas when they don't realize what they really have.

http://www.cabelas.com/product/gun-library/winchester-rifles%7C/pc/103792680/c/103589280/winchester-model1894-30wcf/2288693.uts?destination=%2Fcatalog%2Fbrowse%2Fwinchester-rifles%2F_%2FN-1103078%2B4294768049%2FNe-4294768049%2FNs-CATEGORY_SEQ_103589280%3FWTz_st%3DGuidedNav%26WTz_stype%3DGNU

March 1, 2016
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Now why would something like this sell for $5,911.86 in January and then, soon after, be offered for sale at $3,599 in a retail setting?  Cabela's has to make their profit, too, which means they would have had to buy it for considerably less than $3,599.  Doesn't make much sense to me.  Not exactly a sustainable business model.

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Interesting ! Someone has copied my stock trading strategy

 

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Now why would something like this sell for $5,911.86 in January and then, soon after, be offered for sale at $3,599 in a retail setting?  Cabela's has to make their profit, too, which means they would have had to buy it for considerably less than $3,599.  Doesn't make much sense to me.  Not exactly a sustainable business model.

Reminds me of that 80's movie Brewster's Millions...

March 1, 2016
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I thought that I understood the Winchester DOM serial number process, but after reading the description of this rifle, I guess that I still don't get it.

It says that this rifle was "manufactured" in 1897, and the serial number was applied in 1901.

Ive always thought that the serial numbers were applied to the receivers before the guns were "manufactured".

To me, being "manufactured" means the time when the firearm was completely assembled into a finished product ready to be sold and shipped.

I've read several places that the "Government" considers the DOM of a firearm to be the date when the serial number was applied.

Please straighten out my confusion.

I'm too old to be confused.

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The serial number was applied on 2-1-1901, in warehouse on 2-14-1901 and shipped on 2-15-1901 to order # 88738. It then had an R&R on 2-4-1902 order # 131587. Most of the sellers on the various auction sites are using the old Madis dates of manufacture which have been proven to be incorrect but, it lets them claim that they are antique and can be sent to just about anyone.  ConfusedWent back and looked at the listing and they show the actual Winchester serial number search with the dates and info I stated above. Sorry for the redundancy. Confused

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March 1, 2016
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Jim,

To reiterate what Paul wrote in his reply, the auction descriptions are written by the sellers, who in the vast number of cases either don't have a clue what the true manufacture date was, or they are intentionally being deceptive in the hopes of getting a better selling price. In more recent times, the latter appears to be the more common reason.

In regards to the serial number application date, that is the legal date of manufacture per federal regulations, as it transforms what was once just a lump of steel into a trackable (traceable) firearm component.  As evidenced by the CFM letter on the subject Winchester, it was serialized just 13-days before it was completely assembled, and that is very typical, though there are a few instances where the serialization date and the received date can be years apart.

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